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08-18-2016, 11:07 PM
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Creepy Gear Questions
So, I was reading the 70-100 Service Manual in the Technical Section of the Forum and on page 6 is stated the reduction drive with creepy gear reduction ratio was 7 to 1 and then on page 9 it stated the creepy gear reduction ratio was 4 to 1. So which is it? Maybe I am misinterpreting the text. If the reduction drive is 7 to 1 and perhaps the creepy drive is 4 to 1, so are these multiplied or added if the creepy gear is installed on the tractor?
Also, where do I fill the oil in my creepy gear. After reading the manual, I believe there is a fill plug on the side, but it seems like I would have to split the tractor to fill it and that seems like a lot of work. Can I just add lubricant as per the specs for it in the breather? If so, how much do I put in? Thanks in advance for considering my questions. Cub Cadet 123
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08-18-2016, 11:49 PM
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The reduction drive is 7:1. The creeper is 4:1. That torque is multiplied. So, the ratio with the creeper engaged is 28:1 on the trans input.
You can fill it from the vent hole, yes. But, you should remove the side plug and fill it to that level. Or, drain it all and add what the capacity is. Pretty sure it's in the manual. I think it's in ounces.
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08-19-2016, 06:40 AM
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This was taken from another Web Site that I had bookmarked for information
7. Remove the square plug from the side of the creeper drive unit and top breather cap, fill unit with (preferably) SAE 90 weight gear oil through the top breather tube opening until the oil runs out the side hole. Replace the side plug and breather cap. NOTE: The official IH Cub Cadet repair/maintenance manual says to use SAE 30 weight motor oil, but being the unit has gears that operate under extreme pressure, it's best to use SAE 90 weight gear oil for less wear of the moving parts. Hopefully other members will chime in....
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08-19-2016, 07:43 AM
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Okay, I have a question. I was always told that the creeper was for speed reduction and not to increase torque. I also remember reading on here a long time ago that you shouldn't use a machine with the creeper for plowing because it would break it. IDK, I only have one creeper and it has been on my counter top in the shop for about 8 years now.
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08-19-2016, 08:24 AM
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There have been a few guys on here who refuse to have a creeper on a plow tractor. They seem to think it is some kind of weak link. I think that is more feared than founded. When the creeper is disengaged, it puts no power through the planetary gears. It relies on the same spirol pins that are used when a creeper is not present.... I recently put one on my plow tractor. (It's also the tiller tractor.) So far no issues, but I've only plowed with it once. I'm not scared.
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08-19-2016, 11:02 AM
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Friend of mine plows with his creeper. Hasn't had a problem,but he doesn't use the Internet and thusly his tractor doesn't know it should break.
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08-19-2016, 11:22 AM
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Just so everyone is clear reading this thread, you DO NOT want to use a creeper while plowing. You need to move much faster to do a good job plowing than a creeper will allow. I plow in second gear, and if the ground is smooth, could go a bit faster. Sometimes I have to throttle back if it's rough. Never plow with it engaged. Too slow.
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08-19-2016, 11:40 AM
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08-19-2016, 09:43 PM
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I assumed everybody knew that the creeper was in the hi range. My point was that just cause the tractor has a creeper, doesn't mean you can't hook it to a plow. People think the creeper weakens the drive line, hi or low.
Man I get tired of explaining every detail for people. Anybody who has plowed knows low side is too slow even in 3rd I'm going to leave this forum for awhile Hats off to the guys who can answer the same questions over and over. Or answer people's questions who refuse to look up things for themselves
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