need help with a 1604 not moving.

[Marthos]

I run a cub cadet for an old lady, it stopped moving forward, I shut it down and heard oil boiling, like quenching a red hot item in a bucket.

It is a cub cadet 1604
Model number 145580100
serial number 2050599u748432
mfg date j255g

did I kill it?
Is it a hydo or geardriven setup?

I am going there today to see if it cooling down for 3 days made a difference, look for check/drain plugs (how many spots to check and fill fluid on this model?) and hope that it runs again.

It was in disrepair when I started this job 5 years ago, i have just been patching it up and hoping it would last her, I dont know anything about mowers cept for what breaks on my simplicty (deck spindles), but I can fix anything on a truck, go figure.

Will update in 2 hours or so as to weather it moves while cold.

[Methos]

Originally Posted by Marthos

I run a cub cadet for an old lady, it stopped moving forward, I shut it down and heard oil boiling, like quenching a red hot item in a bucket.

It is a cub cadet 1604
Model number 145580100
serial number 2050599u748432
mfg date j255g

did I kill it?
Is it a hydo or geardriven setup?

I am going there today to see if it cooling down for 3 days made a difference, look for check/drain plugs (how many spots to check and fill fluid on this model?) and hope that it runs again.

It was in disrepair when I started this job 5 years ago, i have just been patching it up and hoping it would last her, I dont know anything about mowers cept for what breaks on my simplicty (deck spindles), but I can fix anything on a truck, go figure.

Will update in 2 hours or so as to weather it moves while cold.

[Marthos]

Originally Posted by Methos

Thank you!

Im back, the cub is moving like it did saturday when I started mowing.

It must have gotten hot, so I found a check plug on the rear carrier/trans (is that right name? rear wheels and gear shifter attached to it) and nothing dribbles, hole to small for my finger.

So it needs oil. How much and what kind should I buy?

Is there a filter in there anywhere?





I have spent some time researching, found the cub cadet parts diagram website, but don't understand this problem.

I don't know what trans/rear it is. I looked at all the rear/trans diagrams for 1604's

I don't understand how it can slip and heat up. seems all were gear driven inside, outside the case theres a belt on a pulley hanging off the right side that conects to the pedal/pulley assembly that connects to the drive shaft. THIS is where i would expect the slipping to happen, but it wouldn't heat any oil, just burn the belt.

Whats happening here? How do these trannys work?

[Marthos]

some more info,

Here are my diagrams
http://www.partstree.com/parts/?lc=c...&dn=0027200001

It has the 582 special frame
It has the 582 special brakes
It has the 582-SN 720000 and up gear shifter
It has the 582 special clutch controls and the correct gear shift is pictured in that diagram, but the transaxle doesn't match, the one im dealing with looks like a truck rear, a cast pumpkin, no cover on the back, just check and drain plugs.

[Marthos]

Well I called a cub dealer today to find out what oil I need, after a nice discussion, the very helpful guy has schooled me some... I think.

I told him I needed to know what oil to buy, gave him the number on the hood, and thru description (there is a gear selection lever, rear looks like a trucks "pumpkin", belt on the right hand side) we think it must be a gear driven transaxle, with a right angle drive and a belt between them.

He said use any good quality gear oil in the right angle drive and transaxle. It may need a new belt or tension spring for the belt.



Im looking at my diagrams again, still not sure...

Don't see a check plug for the right angle drive, is there one?
If not, do I pop off the cover and fill the box up with gear oil?

Still dont see the transaxle in the diagrams, it has me worried that it is some wierd hybrid hydo-gear setup that im about to ruin with the wrong oil.




What im going to do come sunday, unless someone here stops me.

Going with 80wt gear oil.

Drain and refill the rear transaxle (its a cast piece, cant unbolt a cover and clean atleast from the bottom or rear like normal).

Take a closer look at the belt (its good, as far as not burnt or cracked; but, it is old and seemed a little streched) and clutch spring. Im hoping there is an adjustment I can play with.

Then I will try to drain and refill the right angle drive.
I hope there's a check plug, if not, off with the fenders and top cover of the drive, so i can check/drain/fill.
Thinking no more than half full, dont want to blow out seals, sound right?

Then I can cut the lawn, buy a new belt if she still slips, or tell the old lady to buy a new tractor if I broke it.

Did I miss anything?