Some Super-Steer pics for snoel

[IH982D]

snoel had asked about Super-Steer axles in another thread, so I figured I'd post some pics.
At the time, I didn't have both these axles in the same place to get pics, but now they're ready
to go under tractors and I can get a side by side comparison.

The height and the "sweep" forward is pretty evident here, as well as the increased king pin inclination.
Also, the SS axle widens the front track width about 1 3/4".

(That 1 3/4" is approximate, as these axles already have the toe-in set.)


Mike

[snoel]

Thanks Mike.

The SS axles look less massive in the pics. Is that the case, or is it the perspective? Is there much difference in weight?

Does any one have a list, of which models have the SS axles, for the future search?

I am currently working on the rear half of the tractor. Adding the CC 3pt, and modified lower sleeve hitch. Doing some much needed maintenance. Changing the hydro fluid and filter, etc.

The plan is to begin work on the front half, later in the summer. And, the SS axle change is high in the list of upgrades. Not worried about the correctness police on this one. It already has a later Mag 12 engine. There are some other "improvements", that I'm thinking about.

I'm taking pictures, as I go along. Later, I'll start posting some. The plan is to maybe paint it, sometime this year.

[Sam Mac]

Mike

Nice job on the comparison.

[mjsoldcub]

hey thanks for doing that... nice to see the 2 of them together...

[ccannon222]

Keep in mind there are two axles that could be considered super steer. Models like the 1535 and 1541 had one that does not move the wheels as far forward and does not raise the front height (shorter spindles). However they have a similar king pin angle and steer just as good

One nice thing about the 1535, 1541 axles is you can use the shorter spindles in the super steer axle listed above to get the wheels moved forward and not raise the front.

I'm planning on putting a 1535 axle in my 782 to get the benefits of super steer but not interfere with a QA snowthrower.

If one wanted to use a 48/54GT mower deck on a 782 type tractor they could use the axle above with the 1535 spindles. This would clear the larger deck without raising front of the tractor.

Chris

[IH982D]

Thanks guys.
Wasn't sure if anyone had posted them side by side before.

As far as being "less massive", I don't really think so.

They appear a little thinner in section height, but they're wider the other way,
so most likely just as beefy as the older axles.

Just carrying them to the table, the Super-Steer felt a tad heavier overall.

ccannon222 is right. There is another axle with this improved kingpin geometry.
I'm not real familiar with it, but I'm told it won't raise the front of the tractor like this axle does.

snoel, go to partstree(dot)com and look up any potential CC you think might have this axle.
That's a good reference site for interchange.

This is a "3100" axle. partstree shows #719-3100.
I know 1440's and 1641's are the most common tractors around here with this axle.
1863, 1864 models also show using a 3100 front axle.

1541's, 1535's show to use a #759-3549 axle.

For me, I like the way my 782 sits with this axle up front.
It essentially rolls the kingpins back just a tad, and I get more caster that way.
For what little I've driven it, it seems to return to center after a turn better than any Cub I've driven before.

The extra height should come in handy when I stuff the MTD/CCC 48" deck under it.
My 680 has the 42" deep deck under it, and barely gets the gauge wheels off the ground at full lift....


Mike

[ol'George]

Does the 1440 steering relay rod clear the mule drive?
Measuring, it looks like it is an inch or so lower and might hit it.

[IH982D]

Haven't had the mower carriage or deck on it yet, George.

From what I can tell so far, the relay rod (drag link) falls about the same place as the original. It's not the full 2 1/2" lower, as the spindle itself makes up most of the height increase.

I'm using the 1440 drag link as it is a little different than the original 782 drag link. The 1440 has a slight factory bend at the steering box end to compensate for the small drop out at the spindle.
I believe it's a tad longer, also.

Here's a comparison of the stock 782 and the 782 with Super-Steer.

Both drag links originate at the same box, and end just about the same distance off the bottom of the frame.
Pretty much right in line with the "throat" of the front hitch coupler.
Right about where the mule drive anchor pins would fall.



Mike

[ol'George]

Thank you for the pix!
I raised the front of the 1650 up and measured from center line of axle pivot pin to the center of the relay rod and got about 2".
Then I measured the same on the 1440 axle and got 3"
It looks like it will hit the mule drive, but not sure.
I didn't raise/measure the 782 as it had the snow thrower on it and by the look of things I'm gonna need it tomorrow, so I didn't want to remove it just yet.
I think the 1650 and the 782 are similar as far as axle setup
possibly if the relay rod hits the mule drive,
I'll just have to offset it an inch upward.
time will tell.
I just hoped someone had the later 1440 axle under a 1650 or 782 and did it clear the mule?
In a few days the snow will be taken care of and I'll be able to get to actually putting it under there and that will tell the tale if it will fit without mods.
I was hoping to eventually stuff a later high lift deck of maybe 60" under the 782.
The 50C is getting really thin and they don't mow the best.