Ball joint replacement for 1864

jimbob200521 · #1 10-07-2014, 09:57 AM

I recently busted a ball joint on my 1864 and plan on replacing both of them with heim joints (if you're going to do something, do it right). My question is, would anyone happen to have the size or part number (McMaster Carr is where I'm going to order from) for the replacement joints? I'm sure someone out there has replaced theres before, and I don't really want to pay the $40 per joint Cub Cadet wants for them. Thanks guys

J-Mech · #2 10-07-2014, 11:05 AM

There has to be at least 7 maybe 10 different types and styles. Do you want stainless, regular steel, with a grease fitting or without, do you want one with a stud, or do you want to use a bolt????? The parts book shows the jam nut on the drag link to be 1/2"X20, so your best bet is just to go to McMasters site and pick the style you want. Plus, I assume you mean the tie rod on the drag link, not the one on the end of the power steering ram.

If you can't figure out which one you need, I can pick one and give you a part number based on what I would use.

jimbob200521 · #3 10-07-2014, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech

There has to be at least 7 maybe 10 different types and styles. Do you want stainless, regular steel, with a grease fitting or without, do you want one with a stud, or do you want to use a bolt????? The parts book shows the jam nut on the drag link to be 1/2"X20, so your best bet is just to go to McMasters site and pick the style you want. Plus, I assume you mean the tie rod on the drag link, not the one on the end of the power steering ram.

If you can't figure out which one you need, I can pick one and give you a part number based on what I would use.

I want the heavy duty ball joint (heim) linkage with a grease fitting. I want one with a stud, also. BUT, I think you just gave me all the info I needed (1/2x20). Based on that, I'd want part #4444T951 (iirc, they are right hand thread which surprised me). Can you verify (right hand thread, etc)?

Sam Mac · #4 10-07-2014, 11:24 AM

These guys make some good stuff.
http://www.qa1.net/rod-ends-and-related/rod-ends

J-Mech · #5 10-07-2014, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob200521

I want the heavy duty ball joint (heim) linkage with a grease fitting. I want one with a stud, also. BUT, I think you just gave me all the info I needed (1/2x20). Based on that, I'd want part #4444T951 (iirc, they are right hand thread which surprised me). Can you verify (right hand thread, etc)?]

Parts book shows all them to be right handed thread, yes.

And, yes that parts number looks to be correct to me.

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac

These guys make some good stuff.
http://www.qa1.net/rod-ends-and-related/rod-ends

Those do look nice! But almost 3X the price of McMaster.

Race application though, so you know they are tough!

jimbob200521 · #6 10-07-2014, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac

These guys make some good stuff.
http://www.qa1.net/rod-ends-and-related/rod-ends

Maybe one day when I build a racing Cub, I'll have to throw those on there

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Originally Posted by J-Mech

Parts book shows all them to be right handed thread, yes.

And, yes that parts number looks to be correct to me. :

Good deal, thank you!

inspectorudy · #7 10-07-2014, 01:50 PM

When you order you might want to get the grease washers that go on each ball to keep dirt out and grease in.

rwairforce · #8 10-07-2014, 02:01 PM

Why not try the lubrication free for just a little more $11.84?

"Lubrication-free linkages have an oil-impregnated bronze insert. Housing is zinc-plated steel. Ball stud is chrome-plated steel."

Question: are these that much better than the ones that came on the machine when it was new? Thanks.

J-Mech · #9 10-07-2014, 02:06 PM

When you grease something, you are doing two things. 1.) lubricating it 2.) pushing out any foreign material. I.E: water, dirt. We could have the "grease or not to grease" argument all day. When I put u-joints in truck, sometime I use greaseable, sometimes I don't. I can't see that either one lives any longer. For my stuff, I like to grease.

Yes, those joints are MUCH better than what came on the machine new, and better than the "like style" replacements from either CCC or a place like TSC.

rwairforce · #10 10-07-2014, 02:11 PM

Thanks Jonathan.
Sound like these would be a good upgrade. I also have an 1864 so I'm always looking for threads speaking about 1864s. I have a bunch of others as well but I don't want to put out that kind of money to upgrade all of them, just the ones that get regular use.
Thanks for the information everyone.