1650 Not turning over and making a fan sound when turning the Key

cleon001 · #1 01-05-2010, 09:45 PM

I replaced the battery on my 1650 with a new battery today as the old battery was no longer holding a charge and didn't have the power to start the tractor. After installing the new battery the tractor would turn over and was just about to start when it stopped turning over and started making a fan sound from the engine when I turn the key. I waited about 10 min tried again and it still will not turn over and just makes a fan sound when I turn the key. Any ideas what this might be and what I should check next? The spark plug is only about 3 months old and I checked to make sure it was connected firmly. Any advice and guidance is appreciated.

Thanks

Cleon

Matt G. · #2 01-05-2010, 10:10 PM

Sounds like the bendix drive on the starter is gunked up. Remove the starter, and at a minimum, disassemble, clean, and relube (with powdered graphite or GDL garage door lube) the bendix drive assembly. Refer to your service manual for removal/disassembly info.

eastonct124 · #3 01-05-2010, 11:17 PM

ditto. the bendix is not engaging....or your flywheel is missing a tooth. Try turning the engine alittle, by hand, or with a wrench..see if it works. If it still just whistles, then the gear is gummed up.

R Bedell · #4 01-06-2010, 05:57 AM

In addition, check your Battery and cable terminals for clean and tight connections. This also goes for the Grounding connections.

cleon001 · #5 01-06-2010, 06:36 PM

Thanks for the guidance. I started with the least intrusive possible cause first. I put a new connector on to the positive cable of the battery making sure it was a strong connection. Bolted it down and the tractor started. I drove it around a little brought it back in the garage, turned it off and when I tried to restart it got nothing, not even the fan sound. I checked the lights to see if they worked and they were bright as can be. I turned the ignition key with the lights on and no draw on the lights. I then took the panel covering the dash hookups from the gas tank off and checked to see if anything was loose or visibly disconnected. Everything looked OK but to check further I unmounted the gas tank so I could get my hand in there. I pulled the connectors off the ignition switch and then pushed it back on making sure it was on as far as it would go. Turned the key and it started again. I put it all back together took it out for a spin brought it back in the garage turned it off and then restarted no problem. Looks like we are now ready for the 6 to 9 inches they are forecasting on Thursday. Thanks for all the advice. When it gets warmer I am going to pull the started like Matt suggested and get some GDL to make sure its lubricated to help with cold weather starting.

Thanks again.

Cleon

Matt G. · #6 01-06-2010, 06:50 PM

I bet you had some corrosion on the ignition switch plug. By removing and reinstalling the plug, the connector scratched off the corrosion to expose clean metal on the switch terminals to re-establish a good connection.

Sometimes it's a really simple problem like that. I have a tractor that the PO welded the electric PTO clutch inner race to the rotor because the PTO quit working. I cut the welds off to get it free again, and simply removed and reinstalled the connectors on the ignition switch and PTO switch and it started working again...

cleon001 · #7 01-09-2010, 01:19 AM

Got all the snowblowing done, parked the tractor in the garage tried to restart it just to make sure it was still working and it is back to making a fan sound from the engine when I turn the key. I checked the battery connection which is soild. Checked and cleaned the ignition switch connections and still won't turn over. Only thing left is to pull the starter and clean as you guys suggested. I disconnected the battery, and pulled the Starter off in preparation to clean and lube. All the teeth look to be in good shape so that is good. Any one have any instructions on how to take the starter apart and what parts to actually use the GDL on? Also what do you recommend to clean the starter with and what parts can I use the cleaner on? Thanks in advance for the guidance. I never knew I would be learning so much keeping the 1650 in service. Thankfully it performed flawlessly removing the 7 inches off the drive before this last issue..

Cleon

R Bedell · #8 01-09-2010, 07:00 AM

Cleon:

This would surely help......... Manual

cleon001 · #9 01-09-2010, 02:03 PM

How do you remove the stop nut and ramainder of the Bendix drive? When I put a wrench on it and turn the shaft turns. Also how does one clean the brushes? Can I use CRC QD Electonic Cleaner? The manual does not advise.

Thanks

Cleon

Matt G. · #10 01-09-2010, 05:58 PM

I know on the Magnum starters, there is a place under the gear to put a wrench. I think the K-series version is similar. Electronic cleaner would work, as would anything else that evaporates quickly with no residue.

The GDL goes on the worm part of the shaft and on the inside part of the gear where it rides on the worm.