Making an 1864

Mike McKown · #1 08-02-2012, 05:14 PM

I have three complete, running tractors. 1641, 1860 and 1864. I want to make one good looking tractor between the three and I want to use the 18 hp Kohler and the 54" mowing deck that's now on the 1864. The two donor tractors are pretty clean and need little in the way of cleanup.

I can change anything and/or everything between the three tractors. Doesn't matter, just don't want to have to start adapting, drilling holes, cobbling custom parts, etc.

I'd keep the 1864 as is except the PO let the thing spend a lot of time out in the weather and it's pretty rusty and rough. Not to mention, he crashed the front end plastic into a tree and broke up most of it.

What's the easiest way to go here and what needs to be changed over or is it all pretty much straight forward as to just swapping parts.

I do know if I want to use the 54" inch mower on the 1860, I'd have to change the front axle and the mule drive/under carriage. I'd also have to change steering columns to maintain power steering. I know the 1641 hydro is not the same as the 1860 or the 1864.

Sam Mac · #2 08-02-2012, 05:32 PM

I'd strip the 1864 down to a bare frame clean and paint it. Then put the 1864 drive line back in it. Next I'd use the best of the sheet metal and hood parts from the other two. The second best stuff I would put on the 1860 and the rest I'd put on the 1641.

Mike McKown · #3 08-02-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac

I'd strip the 1864 down to a bare frame clean and paint it. Then put the 1864 drive line back in it. Next I'd use the best of the sheet metal and hood parts from the other two. The second best stuff I would put on the 1860 and the rest I'd put on the 1641.

I've been diligently searching for the answer to my question in your post. I must have overlooked it.

I'm not interested in chipping rust or re-painting! Done too many Cubs and I'm kinda' tired of it, just want to cut grass.

What say you now?

LiamD · #4 08-02-2012, 09:39 PM

Hi Mike,
All three are of the same era, most if not at of the parts from the 1860 and the 1864 will interchange. I would considr swapping out the 1864 components too the 1860.

Take care,
Mike

SumBum · #5 08-02-2012, 09:59 PM

Methos · #6 08-03-2012, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LiamD

Hi Mike,
All three are of the same era, most if not at of the parts from the 1860 and the 1864 will interchange. I would considr swapping out the 1864 components too the 1860.

Take care,
Mike

Sounds like that might be the way to go.

Mike McKown · #7 08-03-2012, 11:11 AM

I was actually thinking of using the 1641 as it already has the right front axle and hydraulic implement lift in place. That would just be that many fewer parts I'd have to pull off the 1864.

Even though the hydros are different, any reason I couldn't keep the 1641 hydro in place also?

I'm a little cuious why you guys recommend using the 1860 as a base to swap parts to?

Methos · #8 08-03-2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike McKown

I was actually thinking of using the 1641 as it already has the right front axle and hydraulic implement lift in place. That would just be that many fewer parts I'd have to pull off the 1864.

Even though the hydros are different, any reason I couldn't keep the 1641 hydro in place also?

I'm a little cuious why you guys recommend using the 1860 as a base to swap parts to?

The 1860 can handle the 1864's power steering due to it having the same pump as the 1864. There would be more of a conversion with the 1641 as you would have to swap rear ends to use the powersteering off the 1864. The couple extra HP's would be nice as well.

The easiest fix is to pull tins and swap tins and plastic to the 1864 frame as Sam suggested.

ACecil · #9 08-03-2012, 11:31 AM

Looking forward to your pics.

Mike McKown · #10 08-03-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Methos

The 1860 can handle the 1864's power steering due to it having the same pump as the 1864. There would be more of a conversion with the 1641 as you would have to swap rear ends to use the powersteering off the 1864. The couple extra HP's would be nice as well.

The easiest fix is to pull tins and swap tins and plastic to the 1864 frame as Sam suggested.

Well, I had no idea the 1641 hydro wouldn't run the PS so that's one thing I learned.

I don't want to clean the 1864 up as I indicate above because I just don't want to fool with chipping rust and repainting. Besides, I have six of this series tractors and only enough good front end plastic for three of them. I also have a very nice 1810 with a bad engine that one of the donor tractor engines could go into but that's a different story for a different time.

Here's a couple pictures of tractors at this location. L/R 1860, 1864 and 1862.

Inside, F/R, 1250, 125, 149 and 1810.

I have about 15 more various models stored at my other place. All run and are usuable. Most in good cosmetic and mechanical condition.

Since you guys like pictures, I threw in one more. This was the garage in my hometown. The guy on the right owned and I always said, he was the guy that gave me inspiration to do mechanical work.