PTO purpose?

[Rescue11]

I have seen pictures showing some earlier model cubs with a spline shaft pto oud the rear end. I have always wondered what they were used for since i have yet to see a picture of one n use. Was it just for novelty and how do you engage it? It cant be a live pto because it seems as its only offered on gear drives. When the clutch is pushed in one would think the pto would disengage?? Just a very curious enthusiasts

[jonjunk]

My cub cadet 122 has the rear pro but I have the same questions, I have seen people make pull behind mowers that are very cool, pto powered

[J-Mech]

Yes, a rear PTO was offered on gear drive cubs through the quietline series. Then, only on the SGT later on. You are correct, the clutch would disengage the rear PTO, but it is still considered "live". It technically is a "non-independent live PTO" as it couldn't run with the clutch disengaged. On large tractors, there were two speeds of PTO's available, 540 RPM, and 1000 RPM. I'll get to that in a minute.

Harvester didn't make many attachments for the older tractors, if any, that were driven off the rear PTO. It was offered for the purpose of being used on the farm. I know of several farmers that used their cubs to run augers, bale elevators, water pumps etc. The biggest problem with them was, because the transmission was taken from a Farmall cub, then had a gear reduction added to it, and a smaller motor, this made the rear PTO turn in reverse to it's larger tractor counter parts. So, it made using the PTO more difficult, as you either had to reverse the drive on the equipment you were going to use it on, or buy a PTO reverser that was offered mainly by M&W. These reversers are hard to come by and can be quite expensive. But, they allowed the user to utilize the PTO as it should be. The M&W reverser also utilized the standard size 540 RPM PTO shaft as it's output. The PTO shaft on the back of the cub was a smaller, less common shaft.

The ones offered on the SGT was slightly different. It was an "independent live PTO". It did turn the correct direction, however, it ran at 2000 RPM and used a very odd female output shaft. Adapting and using these PTO is difficult as finding the correct shaft for the equipment is hard, and they turn too fast. But, IHCC/CC did make mowers and tillers for these tractors.

Some people consider them only good as a novelty. I, however, disagree. If you build equipment that can be run the direction that the PTO turns, or have the knowledge of how to make it work, they are EXTREMELY useful!

[J-Mech]

Originally Posted by jonjunk

My cub cadet 122 has the rear pro but I have the same questions, I have seen people make pull behind mowers that are very cool, PTO powered

If you would like to trade parts or rear ends ..... I would be interested. I would like to have one for my 1000.

[Shaner]

Originally Posted by J-Mech

Yes, a rear PTO was offered on gear drive cubs through the quietline series. Then, only on the SGT later on. You are correct, the clutch would disengage the rear PTO, but it is still considered "live". It technically is a "non-independent live PTO" as it couldn't run with the clutch disengaged. On large tractors, there were two speeds of PTO's available, 540 RPM, and 1000 RPM. I'll get to that in a minute.

Harvester didn't make many attachments for the older tractors, if any, that were driven off the rear PTO. It was offered for the purpose of being used on the farm. I know of several farmers that used their cubs to run augers, bale elevators, water pumps etc. The biggest problem with them was, because the transmission was taken from a Farmall cub, then had a gear reduction added to it, and a smaller motor, this made the rear PTO turn in reverse to it's larger tractor counter parts. So, it made using the PTO more difficult, as you either had to reverse the drive on the equipment you were going to use it on, or buy a PTO reverser that was offered mainly by M&W. These reversers are hard to come by and can be quite expensive. But, they allowed the user to utilize the PTO as it should be. The M&W reverser also utilized the standard size 540 RPM PTO shaft as it's output. The PTO shaft on the back of the cub was a smaller, less common shaft.

The ones offered on the SGT was slightly different. It was an "independent live PTO". It did turn the correct direction, however, it ran at 2000 RPM and used a very odd female output shaft. Adapting and using these PTO is difficult as finding the correct shaft for the equipment is hard, and they turn too fast. But, IHCC/CC did make mowers and tillers for these tractors.

Some people consider them only good as a novelty. I, however, disagree. If you build equipment that can be run the direction that the PTO turns, or have the knowledge of how to make it work, they are EXTREMELY useful!

I'm pretty sure the revrrsers were made by Hub City and not m&w....could be wrong tho. I made a rear mower out of a cub cadet original mower deck. Never got around to finishing it though. It would have been cool though

[jonjunk]

Jmech- I would like to keep my pto rear as I am interested in making a rear mower for it I have some skills and patience and would like to try it, although there is a pro rear for sale on craigslist in my area I believe it's the same guy I just bought a qa42 from today actually, he has a nice pile of cubs and all small engines I wish I would of seen inside his shed but he said he had someone from wisc coming so he couldn't show us, he said he had a 122 with hard cab as his pride an joy also a few bolens, allis, vintage Briggs, hitnmiss, etc said he was downsizing. There's my little story for the day.

oh and my pto has a sleeve thing over it, looks like an adapter for standard style pto splines.


http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/cs...013992343.html

[cjrolke]

I have a rear pto on an Original

I have heard another story for them

don't know how true it was

taxes if it had a pto it wasn't taxed

I bought a farmall cub rear belt pulley form mine (still need to get it on but...(

[Pfunk]

My Hawk-Bilt groundsaw uses the rear Cub Cadet PTO to drive the tractor when it's digging. You disengage the clutch, and there's a hydraulic motor that turns the rear PTO. With the tractor in gear, it will move the Cub Cadet forward while it's digging. It's a pretty neat setup. If you don't keep the clutch disengaged, the hydraulic motor "fights" the tractor motor.

And, when I bought a Massey 1528 a couple years ago, I was told it had what was called a "live" PTO because you could shove down the clutch to stop forward motion of the tractor and the PTO would still turn, i.e., it was still live. If you depress the clutch all the way down it stops the tractor motion and the PTO. On the other hand, my 300 International has an "independent" PTO. The lever that controls the PTO has no effect on the motion of the tractor and doesn't require using the clutch. I don't know if that's correct for the terminology, but that's what I've awalys been told.

[Hardware Hank]

Do you have any pictures of the Reverser or what a person needs to look for when trying to buy one? I have a 100 with rear PTO and would like to find the rear pulley attachment to run a hammer mill at our tractor show.
Thanks

[R Bedell]

Here is a picture of a Hub City Reverser...