1250 Cub Cadet- No Fire, Even Via Straight Wire

[J-Mech]

Originally Posted by sawdustdad

Roland's diagram has two wires running to the (+) side of the coil. The One that is labeled "jumper" with the clips, needs to go to the starter. Which is all I said. OF COURSE the other lead continues to be connected to the coil (+). But Roland's diagram is NOT correct because it does not include the starter anywhere. Running two leads to the coil will NOT start the engine.

I don't want to get testy, but you guys need to go back and look at the diagram. There is no starter in the diagram.

Rolands diagram is correct. The starter is still hooked up to the KEY SWITCH and will work just fine. It doesn't need a jumper.

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by sawdustdad

Roland's diagram has two wires running to the (+) side of the coil. The One that is labeled "jumper" with the clips, needs to go to the starter. Which is all I said. OF COURSE the other lead continues to be connected to the coil (+). But Roland's diagram is NOT correct because it does not include the starter anywhere. Running two leads to the coil will NOT start the engine.

I don't want to get testy, but you guys need to go back and look at the diagram. There is no starter in the diagram.

In an effort to explain the illustration as it relates to the original problem... You are absolutely correct! There is NO starter in the illustration. The reason that there is no starter in the illustration, is that cranking the engine over is not the issue. His starter works fine using the key switch and therefore does not need a jumper wire. In other words, that part of the starting process is not broken, so there is no need to try and fix it.

Please understand that I am in no way trying to smart anyone off, being very hard headed myself, I know that someone can tell me something a hundred times and I won't "get it", however they may say the same thing on the hundred and first try and just use one or two different words and all of a sudden, I understand.

[R Bedell]

There is no starter in the diagram.

Turning the motor over was NOT the issue. It was SPARK...!!

But it seems he found a $75.00 an hour expert.

[sawdustdad]

Well, I understood the diagram to be a complete explanation of how to start an engine. I didn't assume there were other parts that would be "assumed" to be included, like the ignition switch, starter relay and the starter itself.

To quote the original Poster's question:

"Can I not get away with straight wiring the engine to battery to try to test it ? Was my mistake using the factory wiring harness when I didn't have the battery plugged into it ? Should I have run a wire from the (-) post/condenser on the coil directly to the points and another directly to the battery ?"

I looked at the diagram, and in the context of troubleshooting an engine, assumed it was intended to be a complete diagram of how to start and run an engine from a battery BYPASSING the tractor's circuitry.

Please tell me why there are TWO positive leads running from the battery to the (+) terminal on the coil? One with a switch and the other with cable clamps.

I don't believe anybody looking at that diagram would understand what to do, and, as noted, would HAVE to find a $75/hr tech to help them.

[AppalachianMachine]

Mr. Bedell: Is it okay for me to start a new thread asking about the hydrostatic transmission or do you want me to wait and see if anyone wades through the current thread ?

Thank you for the diagram and the help.

[R Bedell]

If you have a new topic....start a new thread.

[sawdustdad]

On re-reading my earlier posts, I feel like I might have come across as more strident than I intended. There is usually more than one way to see things, and I should not have taken so strong a stand. My apologies if I offended anyone (especially, you, Roland) enough to hamper further discussion, which, after all, was to help the original poster. This is supposed to be fun. I forgot that for a few minutes.