Creeper system....

[garnold]

My 108 does not have the creeper option. I was told to expect to pay around $250 for a complete system. Just checking if that sounds right. Anyone have one or know where to get one? I found one place on line but wanted to see if there are others.

Is this hard to install? My uncle is a wiz at this stuff but still wanted to get and idea what we are in for.

[Matt G.]

To get a good idea of what you are in for, check out the installation instructions in the service manual, which should be in the tech library portion of this site.

[ihcc104]

$250 seems a bit high, I see them go for more like 150-200 max lately.

[157bradley]

I have read many times, here and elsewhere, that the Creeper was intended to slow the ground speed for snow blowers and other attachments.

It is evidently a rather weak system and NOT intended for more grunt while plowing, etc.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

I would like to somehow make my 100 have a granny gear in 1st with a STRONG pulling ability. I find first gear to be pretty fast on my 100 for some duties.

Is there another gear or gearset I can buy? Perhaps something aftermarket meant for the pulling crowd?

My ideal setup would be a very slow Granny first gear, then 2nd about the speed that first is now. I never use above 2nd as it is.

I apologize if this is a hi-jack, but I have been shopping for and considering a creeper as well.

Regards, Brad

[Matt G.]

You already can't put the full power of the engine to the ground in first gear, so why do you think you need more torque?

[darkminion_17]

garnold

Be sure your creeper is one from a wide frame as the handle is bent different on a NF one.

[157bradley]

Originally Posted by Matt G.

You already can't put the full power of the engine to the ground in first gear, so why do you think you need more torque?

It is not that I feel I need MORE torque, it is that occasionally while working I would like the same full torque at a slower ground speed without worry of breaking something.

I am not pulling stumps mind you, I have a big tractor for that. I would just like to go a little slower while plowing, cultivating, etc.

I do not like to reduce throttle speed on any non-pressurized engine for fear of lack of proper lubrication.

Brad

[Mike McKown]

I wouldn't worry about the strength of the creeper gear. I can remember 40 years ago when I first got a 108, the creeper gear was almost mandatory if you ran a tiller. A tiller is not exactly light duty stuff in hard ground with wheel weights and AG tires.

[Matt G.]

Originally Posted by Mike McKown

I wouldn't worry about the strength of the creeper gear. I can remember 40 years ago when I first got a 108, the creeper gear was almost mandatory if you ran a tiller. A tiller is not exactly light duty stuff in hard ground with wheel weights and AG tires.

The tiller is doing all of the work, and the tractor is holding the tiller back. There is little load on the driveline while tilling, or throwing snow, for that matter. As has already been said, the creeper is for reducing ground speed for implements that don't put much load on the driveline. It was not designed to be used as a torque amplifier.

Ever seen the inside of one before? There are several parts in there that aren't particularly beefy.

Originally Posted by 157bradley

It is not that I feel I need MORE torque, it is that occasionally while working I would like the same full torque at a slower ground speed without worry of breaking something.

I am not pulling stumps mind you, I have a big tractor for that. I would just like to go a little slower while plowing, cultivating, etc.

I do not like to reduce throttle speed on any non-pressurized engine for fear of lack of proper lubrication.

A creeper or any other reduction gear will increase the torque at the rear wheels (if there is no wheel slippage) and will increase loads on the driveline and the chances that something will break if the tires don't slip. The oil in a splash lube engine will be flying around nearly as much at idle as full throttle. A larger concern would be engine cooling at lower RPMs, but for light loads you could reduce the engine speed somewhat and not harm anything.

I can't imagine why you'd want to go slower than first gear while plowing...1st is pretty slow to begin with, and the plow turns the dirt over much better in 2nd gear.

You can always get a hydro-transmission Cub

[garnold]

OK so from what I'm learning here the creeper does not offer and additional pulling power but is more for slowing the overall speed of the tractor down correct? Well I'm in a tough spot than because I have this terrible sickness that forces me to purchase all the features for just about everything I have HAHAHA If there is a spot for a switch or an option to be added this darn sickness makes me do it!!! Anyone else have this terrible sickness too?

Joking aside I thank you all for the info on this topic. I may actually pass on this option now because it really is not going to do what I wanted. As already stated I apparently cant use all the torque this baby has already without the rear wheels spinning so I guess I'll be fine. Just thought that it might have been a good idea for pulling the hay ride around but it is sounding like its not.

I don't want to change the idea of this thread so can someone direct me to the correct place to learn more about the PTO on my 108. I was told that on the 108 this option is for the rear of the tractor and not for the mower? What would I use it for if not the mower?