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1811woody 01-27-2022 01:41 AM

Hydraulic Pump differences?
 
Can someone please direct me to the info or explain the differences between the two pumps. Other then ported or non-ported. From my understanding there is a Sunstrand and a? I know so little about them. I'm not even sure my question is right.

Oak 01-27-2022 07:01 AM

Sunstrand Pumps
The SGT's used pumps with a different output shaft to mate to the 68 tooth reduction gear. The GT's had a different output shaft to mate to the 66 tooth reduction gear.

Then Cub Cadet used the Hydro-Gear hydro pump on models like the 1440, some 1541's, 1641, 1861 & the 1863's. I believe those machines were priced a little cheaper than models with the Sunstarnd pumps when new.

R Bedell 01-27-2022 08:30 AM

Cub Cadet used the Sundstrand 15U Hydro's, in their Garden Tractor line up. There were two versions. (a) Ported, and (b) non-ported. The Non-Ported was the most popular, used in the majority of tractors. The "ported" hydros were used in tractors that had "front hydraulic outlets".

Cub Cadet also used Hydro Gear and Peerless transmissions for the entry level equipment for a lower prices. Mainly seen in Lawn Tractors.

ol'George 01-27-2022 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Oak (Post 515256)
Sunstrand Pumps
The SGT's used pumps with a different output shaft to mate to the 68 tooth reduction gear. The GT's had a different output shaft to mate to the 66 tooth reduction gear.

Then Cub Cadet used the Hydro-Gear hydro pump on models like the 1440, some 1541's, 1641, 1861 & the 1863's. I believe those machines were priced a little cheaper than models with the Sunstarnd pumps when new.

One can change the Sundstrand output shaft gear, but it requires disassembly of the hydro.
There is one tooth difference between them, with the super having one tooth less than the non super models, as it makes up for the larger rear tires on the super making for the same in overall speed of the tractors.

1811woody 01-27-2022 12:56 PM

Are there different manufactures of pumps and the only dif is the name?

Oak 01-27-2022 08:21 PM

Sundstrand and Hydro-Gear are 2 different company's and their pumps are completely different.

They completely switched to Hydro-Gear on the 3k series and up. That series started in 1998.

1811woody 01-28-2022 01:30 PM

Once again thank all you for the info!

Dart1917 01-29-2022 05:16 PM

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The "ported" hydros were used in tractors that had "front hydraulic outlets".
Ported hydros were used with a single spool valve on tractors with hydraulic lifts. A 2 spool valve was used with the ported hydros for the front hydraulic outlets.

R Bedell 01-30-2022 09:16 AM

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Ported hydros were used with a single spool valve on tractors with hydraulic lifts. A 2 spool valve was used with the ported hydros for the front hydraulic outlets.
I respectfully disagree.

Frank1541 01-30-2022 10:15 AM

See the link to a picture of the ported and non ported pumps. A ported pump can handle one or more external hydraulic circuit. It does not define how many circuits are used.

https://onlycubcadets.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4675

Rex B 01-31-2022 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank1541 (Post 515299)
See the link to a picture of the ported and non ported pumps. A ported pump can handle one or more external hydraulic circuit. It does not define how many circuits are used.

https://onlycubcadets.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4675

So the obvious difference is the two tubes coming into the front of the unit. Is that a good quick check?

My 1864 and 2084 appear to have the same unit, though neither has a 2nd hydraulic control on the dash.

Gary C 01-31-2022 05:47 PM

I thought I saw a post or a u tube video of adding another valve adjacent to the one in the panel.

Frank1541 01-31-2022 08:50 PM

Rex B. Yes the tubes are how you tell if it is ported. They are the same no matter how many hydro circuits are on the tractor. You can add another valve to the older style cubs, 782 etc and the Cyclops cubs. I have second valve for the front outlets on my heavily modded 1541. Most Cubs had ported hydro pumps in the 80s and 90s.

Farmall450 02-02-2022 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank1541 (Post 515340)
Rex B. Yes the tubes are how you tell if it is ported. They are the same no matter how many hydro circuits are on the tractor. You can add another valve to the older style cubs, 782 etc and the Cyclops cubs. I have second valve for the front outlets on my heavily modded 1541. Most Cubs had ported hydro pumps in the 80s and 90s.

Yes,

2 way out to a control valve/bank of valves and/or PSV in the case of the supers (which then feeds aforementioned valve(s)).


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