Getting in deeper 1650 loader+powersteering
 

In my other thread on the 1650 with loader I just bought I had to remove the head to replace a blown head gasket. Since I was this far I might as well replace the iso mounts so I removed the engine. I then seen that the drive coupling and flex disc joints needed replaced so I removed the driveshaft. Then yesterday I picked up a parts 1864 from member RLause, (Thanks Dick) and decided to use the power-steering and super steer axle from it on the 1650. I got the steering box mocked up yesterday evening and installed the front axle and steering cylinder. The axle slipped right in, and to mount the cylinder all I had to do was drill out an existing hole in the frame and drill one new one. Today I will make up the hydraulic lines and make a coupler for the steering shaft and mast jacket. I will get some pictures later today. I was surprised that it was almost a bolt in operation. Also I was able to modify the 1864 steering box bracket to use the existing manual steering box mounting holes on the frame. This is an easy swap for any wide frame tractor with a ported pump. I might just learn to like a quietline when I am done with this upgrade.
Keep you updated as I go.
Tom

Mm, your in no way the first one to put power steering on a quietline, however, I would be interested in seeing how the super steer axle looks on a ql.

Power steering is awesome! And the super steers are the best. You'll like!

Woodward makes the coupler you need. C109 is the part number. Then all you need is a section of muffler pipe expanded just enough to slip over the lower part of the steering box. Link to Woodward. http://www.woodwardsteering.com/

Way to go Tom. Sounds like you were burning the midnight oil.

Adding power steering is one of the things I wanted to do to my loader tractor. I'll have to watch this thread to see how the power steering works.

Well I finished up the install of the 1864 power steering components yesterday and started running the hydraulic lines, the cylinder hose connected right up as expected and if I was to remove the lift cylinder the lines from the steering valve to hydro would also work with just adding a coupler and removing the return from the control valve tee. To save making all new steel lines I am thinking of eliminating the lift cylinder for now so I can get this finished up for now. With the weight box on the back the lift is not usable. If I decide to keep the loader on the 1650 and want a rear lift I can always add a rear lift cylinder in the back like I did on my 1872 project. Sorry no pictures yes as I left my phone in the shop last night.
Later
Tom

Lets see some pictures Fred.:biggrin2:

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn: Tom, we need those pics!:High5:

I agree! Looking forward to your pics. :beerchug:

I finished up the hydraulic lines for the power steering conversion today. I was able to reroute one of the lines and made a couple new ones and I now have the stock hyd control valve hooked up to the lift cyl. I had a nice visit from member Merk and his wife today. He wanted to get some measurements from the loader subframe for the loader install on his 149. Glad I was able to help him out. Here are the pictures, enjoy.
Tom
Front crossmember was damaged, Repaired and welded in new pivot bushing, steering shaft coupling made from old GM steering column.
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steering shaft welded to coupler, modified 1864 mount that bolts to stock steering box mounting holes on frame.
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Column tube splice. clamps to steering box with muffler clamp, view of cteering cylinder bolted to frame using one existing hole and one new one. The hole in the frame was the only modification to the stock frame to install PS.
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Close up of cylinder mount, Hydraulic line routing
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Super steer axle view. I plan on adding 18X8.5X8 tires and wider rims since I now have one inch spindles.
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Later
Tom

Looking good! How much clearance do you have between hydraulic lines( from pump to steering valve) for the driveshaft? Are you going with solid engine mounts?

BTW, Merk is a great guy!

Thanks, I had the driveshaft in when I routed the lines so I made sure I have plenty of clearance. I will be using new ISO mount rubbers to mount the engine. No solid mounts for the 16 hp shaker for me.

Yes Merk is a great guy, we had a good discussion about our cubs.

Good work Tom.:beerchug:
That power steering I would think will be a great addition to the loader tractor...

Nice work! :beerchug:

Thanks guys. The first time I used the loader I decided I wanted power steering. It will be a great addition. The best thing is if I decide to put the loader on a 782 I have it can be moved right over as the column length is the same and I saved all of the stock lines and parts from the 1650 so it could be switched back. Gotta stop thinking of more projects and finish the ones I have started.

Later:beerchug:
Tom

No no Tom, keep the juices flowing! And remember, it didn't happen without pictures. :popcorn:

As much as I want to get into more CC projects the wife informed me that when the loader and 1872 rebuild are finished the 57 Chevy project will be next to get finished before I start on any others. I was supposed to have the 57 done for the TriFive nationals this year that celebrates the 57 being 60 years old and that ain't going to happen since I got sidetracked by the cubs.
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Tom

Yeah, BUT from your build thread of the 57 over on TriFive, you came a LONG way with it from it's humble beginnings.:beerchug:

Well I finished up the power steering upgrade along with a different driveshaft and rag joints, new ISO mounts and snubbers. cradle mod and replacing missing bolts brackets etc. I must say it made quite a difference in the tractor. It really quieted it down and it runs and drives very well. I loaded up the bucket on the loader with some dirt and it steers very easy loaded. I am very satisfied with the steering upgrade and the best part is if I decide to swap the loader over to a 782 I have it will be a bolt on swap and I can convert the 1650 back to stock in a couple of hours. The only thing left to do is some repairs to the loader where a previous owner did some very poor repairs and welding.
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Tom

Way to go! Now get the 57 done. :biggrin2: :beerchug:

Gotta finish the 1872 project first, I need the space so I can put the 57 body on the rotisserie to finish and paint the underside. Hopefully I can soon get the 1872 painted. I have the wiring about 95 % finished so as soon as that is done I can get it running again and move it to do the painting of the sheet metal. This old fart can't work as late at night as I used to.
Later:beerchug:
Tom