147 hydraulic lift build
 

I have been toying around with what to do with the 147 to make it hydraulic. I have a power steering pump I was going to try but decide on putting the ported 129 pump in. This is not going to be a fast build so I didnt really want to post anything about it but got to excited I guess. This parts 129 is not going to have much left of it when Im done putting stuff on my 147 and 1872. I got the rear end out today. Found squirting pb blaster on the grease build up and letting it sit and blowing it off with air did a pretty good job so far on cleaning it up. I have it soaking down again for tomorrow. I don't plan on painting it. Just cleaning it up before I put it in the 147.

I have a picture or 2 showing the spark plug socket thing I rigged up to test it with a drill. Worked good.

I have a Gilson valve and a Montgomery Wards Gilson cylinder. The cylinder does leak and don't appear to be rebuildable so Im probably going to have to find something else. Unless somebody thinks this can be fixed. The cylinder is welded together. I haven't really checked to see if its to long or not either. Not sure where to put the valve either. I want to have everything hidden when Im done. Or at least the hoses. Thats going to be the hard part I think. Not much room.

The 147 currently has manual lift but did have electric originally. I still have all the rocker shaft and other stuff to put back on and plan to put the cylinder where the electric one was.

I still need to find the spring and cone thing for the relief valve on the pump. I have a guy trying to hook me up with one. If anybody has one and wants to sell it please PM me and let me know what you want for it.

Like I said this is going to be slow. Just thought I would swap rears while I figure the rest out.

Why not hang a gear pump on the output shaft of the hydro unit!!

Then you would have REAL hydraulics, not the piddly 500 psi of the charge pump.

No room and I dont have gear pump and they are not free. I only need it to work like it should. I dont need more power or I would stick with the power steering pump idea.

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Looking forward to your build. I plan on being around a while so I can see it from atart to finish.:biggrin2:

Does "atart" taste like a "Menthos"!!??:biggrin2:

Kinda but it's got shoe laces feel to it!:biggrin2:

I'm looking forward to it, as well. :beerchug:

Is that a possible option?


I look forward to your progress pics.

I've been pondering this for my 147 as well.
Look forward to your progress.:GoodLuck:

Dale, I keep noticing you and I have the exact pair of Cubs, it's a great combo isn't it. Although I can't seem to score a snowblower here in the south.

I was driving the 147 today and the whole rear end just blew right out of it. Happen so quick I cant even find the fenders.


The last picture shows the kind of rig job I did to make the lift work. Im going to cut that off and do something much better. Not sure what but it will look professional.

Also I have a question on the second and third to last picture. The aluminum return line runs up over buy the fan and back down to help cool. The ported pump don't have that. Any ideas why that one don't?:bigthink: Did it not cool enough to matter? Looks interchangeable? If so should I swap that out? Or not worry about it? Any suggestions?

Thanks

Forgot about this pic.

Good thing Im doing this swap before the trunnion broke and it took off out of control, lol. It seem to work good still.:bigthink:

That trunin is shot! It should have a fan on it. They were stock from the factory. Sweet pics and I hope you didn't get your butt dirty when it blew apart on ya!:biggrin2:

Not getting anything done on it today. :(

My question on the tube is should I swap it to the rear end Im using and run it still or not worry about it? It would be better probably for clearance reasons of the new lift system to not run it. Its really packed up there as it is. But if it helps enough then I will run it. Just looking for suggestions.

Methos, It does have the fan on. Just hard to see it. But looking at it today. The rubber flex pad in the drive shaft pretty much blocks it. I know its factory but it seems like it would work a ton better without that flex pad in the way.

Attached pictures to show the tube differences better and the fan with the flex pad in the way of air from fan.

Larry I'm not sure why that is bent like that.:bigthink: maybe someone with more cubs under their belt can chime in.

Im thinking its for cooling. It goes up near the fan. Maybe my 147 has the towing package? :bigthink: lol

Towing package! I about fell out of my chair over that one!

That was pretty good, Larry! :beerchug:

I had about a hour and a half today so I ground down the old 3pt. Painted it so it wont rust. Then throw the rear end in. I did get the drive shaft in too. Started getting dark so I still need to hook up the brake and shifter rods. I think what I am going to try to do when I get to it is pull the dash tower out, steering column and shifter shaft and try to get that top part off the frame. I guess it would be the tunnel cover but its long. Then I can access the hydraulic ports and stuff easier to get it set up. Then when Im done bolt it down. I also thought of cutting the cover just to the column and making that easy access like the wide frame tunnel cover but not sure if I want to do that. I'm for modifying it but I don't want it to look rigged up like it was in the past. If its a modification that will improve it then lets do it!:D

In the pictures you can see what I ground off laying on the ground. I also include a picture of it before I ground them down. I already posted that but you dont have to scroll around it find it again. It is on the bottom of the pictures though. I did leave the spring assist bolt holder thing welded to the frame. If I go hydraulic I wont need it and will probably remove it and let my brother use the spring assist on his 123 or 105.

Sure looks mean without the rear fenders!

Thanks, for the update and pics, Larry! :beerchug:

Well I drove it around about 20 minutes today pushing leaves and apples around with the JB. I guess I'm ripping the rear end/pump back out tomorrow.:bash2: Cant stand not having it running. I have a full day to work on it so I should be able to swap my old one back in. The input shaft seal is leaking pretty bad. :bash2: I assume there is probably a bearing there that is also bad. The axles shift in and out a lot too for some reason.:bash2: Probably better see whats going on there too.

Axial play in the axles is normal. There is nothing to keep them from sliding in and out slightly.

Just change the seal...that's probably easier and faster than swapping the rear again. What makes you think the bearing is bad, too?

I couldnt get to the seal very easily with it in the tractor. Its not really that big deal to swap them. I timed taking the ported one out and did it in 30min. And that is with spending probably 10min searching for the extension I couldnt find. It was hiding in the tool box all along, lol. I messed around with some other issues before I put it back in. Fixed the trunnion. Seems to work good now and should last. Hairpin clip sheared off in my 3pt lift block on the arm. Made a clip with a hanger. I'll see how long it last. I have a problem with the relief valves dimple stuck in. The ones that go in to push it. I took them out and tried to push them back from the inside but they are stuck. Would they pop back up when trying to drive it? I swapped them out for now. Test drove it and its all like it was before my hydraulic idea, lol. Well with a few things fixed I guess. Now Im thinking back about the adding a pump idea.:bigthink: If only the saginaw pump spun the other way....

Now time to carve some pumpkins with the kids!:D

You've been busy, Larry. Enjoyed your pics. :ThumbsUp:

larry, you could turn the pump around the other way, EG. instead of the pulley facing forward/ pulley facing rearward... if there is enough room. Just a thought.

Larry,
Man your not afraid to tackle about anything! Thanks for posting the picture. Gives me ideas of what to look for as parts get worn.
I never thought of making my own R clips:) Nice work.
Hope the pumpkins came out nice for the little ones!
Regards,
Chris

Yea I thought of that but then the SG is in the way to get the pulleys lined up. I need to investigate maybe mounted it under the hood in front of the engine maybe?

Thanks Chris, Those R clips get pricey. Hangers are free. Not sure how well they will last but Im going to find out. :D

Where's Larry?
I need some one to swap rear ends in minutes.
Regards,
Chris

Im alive, just caught up in life. The 147 is still running good. Used the rototiller for the first time few weeks ago. Worked good. Still no hydraulic lift though. I still need to get a new seal for the input shaft on my ported rear end. And I was thinking... That came out of a 129 with no engine. I recently got an old Tecumseh 18hp oh180. I was kind of thinking of sticking it in the 129. Then go back to an auxiliary pump idea on the 147. If I do, it wont be for a while though. Trying to get the house ready to sell so I can get a little bit of land, garage, and hopefully a pole barn too.:biggrin2:

What happen to your rear end?

Larry,
Good to hear from you. Great you have a life. some of us get consumed with Cubs. That's about where I am right now. Based on my past I will ride this Cub wave about 5 years then it will taper off some.
Really hope you get the land and the pole barn! Im pulling for you. I also would love to build another building to have as a shop/ big garage.
I have a thread started on "Sugarmakers 252 4x4" I have grandiose ideas of building a custom Cub 4x4 articulated with two hydros. Well neither is ported so I have been trying to figure out the next moves. Don't really want to buy another tractor for parts.
You had done a lot of rear end swapping and it kept coming up in the search for ported hydros.
Hope things are good!
Regards,
Chris