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Old 08-07-2014, 11:53 AM
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Greeting Gents and Ladies,

I have just bought myself my second Cadet a 127. Now this is going to be a front loader and backhoe project from P.F. Engineering. I am trying to upgrade the steering on it first. I have already swapped the front cross member from a wide frame to "Box" the knuckles like they show on their site and then do the hub conversion. My fist hurdle is that I got the cross member from a guy with a loader on his Cadet and has worn out 2 factory steering boxes, so im thinking that will need addresses. No need to tear up original parts when you know its coming.
Now hydraulic steering would be the coolest and fanciest way to do this, but also very expensive. Now when researching what other ppl have done on here and other fourms i cam across one that looked like an automotive steering box. It was not that, but it got me to thinking would one work. I was thinking like an old school smaller car steering box like out of a Chevy Vega, or old VW beetle?

What are you guys thought on the idea. Any pluses or negatives you can think of?

this is my first post so I'm hoping for some good results.
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Old 08-12-2014, 11:45 PM
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You could use a 3 turn steering wheel out of a john deere or a later cub to make it much easier to turn. I have not heard of anyone using a car gearbox though.
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Old 08-14-2014, 12:56 PM
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The auto gearbox would be perfect also if you could get a nice small one like the Vega but with power steering that would be cool just run it off your hydraulic pump or add a power steering pump.
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Old 08-14-2014, 04:01 PM
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Thanks for the input guys. After some more research my uncle has an older JD 316 that i though had hydo steering, but i don't think it does. I was thinking a box out of one of those. Only drawback is using green parts takes a down a notch, but hey who needs to know. I was also thinking of a smaller car box with power steering, but I don't have a ported pump, and am not sure if the cost of a pump to do that is worth it for the results. The JD box turns so easy we though it was power and im thinking that a car even the smallest of cars would turn pretty easy on a Cadet since being smaller machines. I just want something that will hold up and not wear out. On finger turning would be great but not exactlly needed.
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You could run the car box off of the same pump you will be using for the loader hydraulics.
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:29 PM
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I don't know what car you would be able to find a gearbox off of that would work, but if that's what you want..... go for it. I personally, would be adding power steering. (Ok, well, I personally wouldn't put a loader on a non super, but if I did, I'd put power steering on it. )
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Old 08-15-2014, 08:56 AM
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I think the steering box that is in a 210-216 John deere is a 3 turn steering box and made by the same company as the cubs . A three turn box will steer much easier than a two turn cub steering box. Don't be to head strong and color blind . If john deere parts will work there are a lot of junk JD's setting around.
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As much as I hate to admit it, our yellow cubs actually share a lot of parts with the green machines. Steering, hydraulics, hydro's and engines. (Yes, there are some differences in motors and hydro's but they are easy to mod and interchange)
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I think the steering box that is in a 210-216 John deere is a 3 turn steering box and made by the same company as the cubs . A three turn box will steer much easier than a two turn cub steering box. Don't be to head strong and color blind . If john deere parts will work there are a lot of junk JD's setting around.
So Im fairly new and by any means no expert on cubs, so I dont know the difference in the 2 turn to 3 turn box. Is there an east way to tell them apart? My issue isnt that I want the power steering per say it is that I talked to one guy that put a loader on a NF 10hp manual trans Cadet and he said he has worn out 2 steering boxes on it. I dont want to have that happen to my machine thats why im looking to upgrade the steering mostly.

To the loader on a non super, this is really going to be more of a fun build/show tractor than a working machine. I may use it once in a wile for some light duty stuff but going to try to keep it nice for shows. think it could be an attention getter after all built up and restored.
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So Im fairly new and by any means no expert on cubs, so I dont know the difference in the 2 turn to 3 turn box. Is there an east way to tell them apart?
Yes, there is a really easy way to tell them apart. On a 2 turn steering box it takes 2 turns of the steering wheel from full left to full right. On a 3 turn steering box it is 3 turns of the wheel from full left to full right. ..........
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