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Old 12-16-2018, 11:32 PM
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Hi everyone.This is my first post after lurking in the shadows for a while. Recently a 1650 landed on my trailer and followed me home. Needs a lot of work. I have a few older cadets but this is my first Quietline. I see some talk about the motor mounts, but is there anything else I should be checking that is peculiar to these [ newer than what I am used to] ?
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Old 12-17-2018, 04:48 AM
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Welcome to OCC wagonmaster.

Let's see some pictures of you new toy....
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Old 12-17-2018, 06:21 AM
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Old 12-17-2018, 09:13 AM
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Welcome to OCC.
Like anything 40+ years old, a lot of things will need attention.
You mention motor mounts, there are 4 that look like sway bar bushings in a vehicle.
They can be anything from ok, to gone/nonexistent.
Also the "cradle" they mount too, is bolted to the bottom of the engine.
Those bolts give problems and often times one or more are missing.
Then there are the "Flex Disc joints" & drive shaft issues that need repair.
Best to use your eyes & ears to locate issues and address them one @ a time.
Does it run?
Do understand the 16 Hp kohler is a shaker.
It has a piston the size of one in a small block chevy and vibrates more than a Harley Davidson.
I honestly think Elvis sung "whole lotta shaking going on" in reference to those kohlers Ha,LOL.
You can search on this site for "motor mounts" also "cradle mods" for ideas.
The hydro fluid is prolly like a Slurpee in the rear end.
Change it and the filter as time permits, or immediately if you have issues with it.
There will also be leaks, squeaks & electrical issues to address.
Have fun.
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Old 12-17-2018, 09:28 AM
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First off, welcome to OCC! Love seeing new folks and new projects. Lots of great people on here with all different skill levels, lots of great projects and a seemingly infinite amount of knowledge and experience, and it's always nice to see another one.

Aside from the engine mounting situation, that generation tractor is pretty much the same as any other pre-1979 cub cadet. Same chassis, rear end steering, etc.

Main reason that generation of tractor had the ISO mounts and tinwork, front exhaust and whatnot was because those bigger HP K series singles are pretty brutal when they are angry and so IH tried to make it a little more comfy for the operator. A well tuned quietline is a super nice tractor to run.

Major (unique to the quietlines anyway) issue on them is the motor mounts and possibly the muffler/muffler box. You can replace the mounts with factory style ones, or you can go to solid mounts. If you plan to use it a lot, I don't know that I'd go solid mounts on a 1650 personally, just due to that K341 being such a shaker. On a 1250 or 1450, it's not quite as brutal. Some people swear by solid mounts either way. Every one of those K series engines is a little different and some shake more than others, so YMMV.

Also, there's a "cradle mod" that should be done to the engine cradle if you have the engine out and it hasn't already been done.

Other things that probably need attention (just because they always do) is the trunion on the hydro unit, the steering box/tie rods, and the usual rubber and plastic bits that wear out after 40 years.
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Old 12-17-2018, 11:03 PM
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Thanks for the welcome and advice. I like ol'Georges description of a 16hp kohler shaker lol. Hope to work on it tomorrow. Yes it runs kind of. I have had it idling. It looks and sounds good but backfires when I throttle up. I screwed the high speed jet in 3 turns and still didn't hit bottom but ran out of time at that point. Not sure that the governor spring is correct as it looks new and may be a hardware store spring. I have 4 147's,2 runners , 1 parts, and 1 future project, so I do have hydro experience. I have been collecting projects over the years and now that I am retired maybe I can get to them soon. They include the 147,POsays it maybe blew a rod but looks good from the out side, a 103 with no motor, another two number cadet [cant remember] that needs a clutch, along with four cub lowboys, 2 good running 154's , a 184 that needs a engine rebuild, and another 154 non runner that I nave not looked at much yet. So that is what all the yellow things are under the tarps up in my woods are. Back to the 1650,Gompers mentioned some thing about a trunnion and I don't know what that is. That's all for now, thanks.
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Old 12-18-2018, 12:33 AM
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Did not have any luck searching info on cradle mods.
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Old 12-18-2018, 04:58 AM
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Quietline motor rail modification. Page 4 of the Technical Library - tractors.

Hydro lurch, page 1 of same.
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Old 12-18-2018, 08:05 AM
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Thanks for the welcome and advice. I like ol'Georges description of a 16hp kohler shaker lol. Hope to work on it tomorrow. Yes it runs kind of. I have had it idling. It looks and sounds good but backfires when I throttle up. I screwed the high speed jet in 3 turns and still didn't hit bottom but ran out of time at that point. Not sure that the governor spring is correct as it looks new and may be a hardware store spring. I have 4 147's,2 runners , 1 parts, and 1 future project, so I do have hydro experience. I have been collecting projects over the years and now that I am retired maybe I can get to them soon. They include the 147,POsays it maybe blew a rod but looks good from the out side, a 103 with no motor, another two number cadet [cant remember] that needs a clutch, along with four cub lowboys, 2 good running 154's , a 184 that needs a engine rebuild, and another 154 non runner that I nave not looked at much yet. So that is what all the yellow things are under the tarps up in my woods are. Back to the 1650,Gompers mentioned some thing about a trunnion and I don't know what that is. That's all for now, thanks.
Trunion is the little bracket with springs in it that actuates the hydro control. The little "buttons" tend to wear into the bracket over time and the whole spring assembly ends up cocked and makes the hydro unpredictable. Also, from time to time, the springs can collapse and that also creates control issues.

Not a tough or expensive fix and that's generally the major issue with the hydro tractors.

Sounds like you've got a lot of projects to keep you occupied!
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Thanks for the welcome and advice. I like ol'Georges description of a 16hp kohler shaker lol. Hope to work on it tomorrow. Yes it runs kind of. I have had it idling. It looks and sounds good but backfires when I throttle up. I screwed the high speed jet in 3 turns and still didn't hit bottom but ran out of time at that point. Not sure that the governor spring is correct as it looks new and may be a hardware store spring. I have 4 147's,2 runners , 1 parts, and 1 future project, so I do have hydro experience. I have been collecting projects over the years and now that I am retired maybe I can get to them soon. They include the 147,POsays it maybe blew a rod but looks good from the out side, a 103 with no motor, another two number cadet [cant remember] that needs a clutch, along with four cub lowboys, 2 good running 154's , a 184 that needs a engine rebuild, and another 154 non runner that I nave not looked at much yet. So that is what all the yellow things are under the tarps up in my woods are. Back to the 1650,Gompers mentioned some thing about a trunnion and I don't know what that is. That's all for now, thanks.
Retired?? you should of started long ago with that many projects!!
You better get crackin' every year after retirement, you slow 2 years non retirement time.
BTDT.
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