Sanity check - 1772 & 1882

Daleag · #1 12-10-2020, 10:30 PM

I'm on 5 acres and we got some dirt and gravel moving to do, gardening, and grass killing, so I bought a 1772 smoker with 50" deck I stumbled across. I'd like to put a hitch on it to use a box/grader blade, and possibly weld up a 'mini loader' for the front at some point.

The good: engine starts fairly easily, the hydro isnt screaming loud or leaking that I can see, no broken tabs yet.

The bad: seat is destroyed, power steering cylinder is so greasy I'm sure it's leaking a little, figured out the deck was missing a belt because a spindle is bent over about 20 degrees (looks like the deck is bent)

The ?: I used it to pull a 1000lb lawn roller up our 10% grade hard packed driveway, and the 'bota did NOT like that at full speed. Bogged down, blowing black smoke. If I pulled the hydro back to about 1/2 the engine picked back up and the smoke cleared. My math suggests that to move ~2500lbs up a 10% grade at 8mph should only take ~5-6hp, and only about 3hp at the 4mph I actually got it to go. Am I missing something or is my engine weak?

The 1882: Guy up the road is offering to trade my Cub 1045 "cvt" riding mower (with brand new tires and battery on it!) and $500 cash for his 1882 gasser. The 1882 starts and runs and drives good, and has the 60" deck on it. It's missing all it's plastic hood and side covers, and the relief valves are weeping out the holes, but otherwise it seems all good. I'm being told I should buy it for spare parts for the 1772, and to part out/sell the gas components that I dont need. I could in theory use the 60" deck on the 1772 as well. And could use its 18hp engine as a point of reference by pulling the roller up the same hill with it and see how it does...

Waste of basically $1000 (assuming I could sell my 1045 for 500 bux) for a 'parts mower' and 60" deck, or a good deal?

OptimusI · #2 12-10-2020, 10:58 PM

The 60" deck is worth $500 on its own. The M18 in the tractor, (in my opinion, others will disagree) is likewise worth at least $500 and, I am told, you can adapt xx72 series metal hoods and side panels to the xx82 frames, making that a very viable tractor. I'm running a 2072 which is mostly the same but for the metal hood and sides and an m20 vs M18 engine. Paired with the haban and a 451 blower, it's a formidable year round machine. I would jump at getting my hands on another for $500. If it runs, replacing the relief valves is cheap and easy (I think I ordered mine from ebay for under $100 but I can't quite remember). I wouldn't part it at all, I'd get some steel panels and use the Haban to cut the 5 acres. :-D

Daleag · #3 12-10-2020, 11:10 PM

Well, he's asking $500 plus my little Cub 1045 rider, which presumably is worth around $500 in this area, maybe 600 tops in the spring. So figure $1000 value for that 1882.

Anybody around here looking to buy a good running M18 engine and any other drive bits exclusive to it?

spndncash · #4 12-11-2020, 09:02 AM

let me preface this by saying if I had to keep just one cub I would keep my 2182 with the 54 inch deck - but if your goal is to cut grass faster - I would look for a ZTR with a 42" or larger deck (I like the cubs - but anything except a husqvarna) - it will cut your mowing time in half, fuel consumption buy 1/3 and cut better than either of these tractors with the 50" or 60" deck.
I have the 54" and 60" decks for my cyclops. Using the 60 inch is difficult get a good cut with on anything other than flat level ground. often I need to use the brake to keep the tractor going straight on a slope because the deck is so heavy. Understanding you are in Oklahoma not West Virginia this might work well for you
I don't know the break out by years but I believe there are two different PTO diameters and if you are not spinning the deck at the correct speed a swap may not work out well.
If your 50" is getting holes in it, the 60" is very heavy grade steel and will probably last the life of your tractor. It sounds like you want to part the 1882 out and keep the deck and maybe transaxle. prices are very regionally biased. Here in Ohio the deck and transaxle could be had for about 600 dollars and the motor might bring 200 depending on the hours - I assume this is over 1000 hours based on the age and look of the 1882

Cubcadet_107 · #5 12-11-2020, 09:07 AM

Despite missing all the plastic covers, that 1882 appears to be in pretty good shape. If I were into the supers more I sure wouldn't use it as a parts tractor. My rule of thumb is "If it still runs/drives DON'T use it for parts!"

But that's just me

OptimusI · #6 12-11-2020, 09:35 AM

Generally in my area in NY the supers with the 60" haban in running condition are going for around $2k so one that needs tin for $1k is a decent price. I personally disagree with spndncash about the haban. I traded an 1872 with a 50" stamped deck for a 2072 with the 60" and would never go back. I'm on relatively flat ground so that might help and I will admit that it can be a challenge in a yard with lots of obstacles but the extra weight let's it cut nice and even while moving the tractor at full speed.

Daleag · #7 12-11-2020, 09:58 AM

So I see I'm being warned about different PTO pulley sizes between the 50c and 60c. I'm googling up a storm trying to find out more but so far not finding much. What can yall tell me? Will I be able to swap PTO pulleys between tractors, or will I have to find/order parts to fit the 60c to the 1772?

darkminion_17 · #8 12-11-2020, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Daleag

So I see I'm being warned about different PTO pulley sizes between the 50c and 60c. I'm googling up a storm trying to find out more but so far not finding much. What can yall tell me? Will I be able to swap PTO pulleys between tractors, or will I have to find/order parts to fit the 60c to the 1772?

If you go here and click on the little box, then enter your model then go to the attachments it will show what pulley you will need.

https://www.cubcadet.com/en_US/ari-partstream.html#

Daleag · #9 12-11-2020, 10:45 AM

So it's not the pulley on the engine that would be different, but rather the one on the center of the deck? (I'm guessing the engines, running different RPMs, use different size pulleys so the belt speed is consistent?)

In that case, the 60c center pulley for a 1772 and the 60c center pulley for a 1882 are the same part#, so maybe I lucked out

spndncash · #10 12-11-2020, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by OptimusI

Generally in my area in NY the supers with the 60" haban in running condition are going for around $2k so one that needs tin for $1k is a decent price. I personally disagree with spndncash about the haban. I traded an 1872 with a 50" stamped deck for a 2072 with the 60" and would never go back. I'm on relatively flat ground so that might help and I will admit that it can be a challenge in a yard with lots of obstacles but the extra weight let's it cut nice and even while moving the tractor at full speed.

I apologize, I did not mean to say it cuts poorly. I am in ohio and about three of my four acres are flat and smooth which the 60 cuts very well. it is the other acre which is a challenge. I have several hundred trees and this is also where the 60 becomes a challenge even if it is flat/smooth. I do not have the 50c I have the 54 deck for the cyclops and I prefer it over the 60 haben. the 50C may not perform like the 54 which is a much newer and taller design -I dont have the 50c so I should not have compared the two. additionally I have the newer version of the haben and the latest model of 2182 - I believe this is where cub changed the PTO size after reviewing some other threads