Only Cub Cadets

PLEASE PATRONIZE OUR SPONSORS!

CC Specialties R. F. Houtz and Sons Jeff in Pa.

Cub Cadet Parts & Service


If you would like to help maintain this site & enhance it, feel free to donate whatever amount you would like to!




Attention Folks we have a new owner!
Greg Rozar AKA- CubDieselFan


Go Back   Only Cub Cadets > Cub Cadets > CCC/MTD Cub Cadet built Tractors (GT)

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-03-2022, 02:12 PM
Club Cadet Club Cadet is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 38
Default Retorque head bolts M18

I recently finished a top end overhaul on the Kohler M18 twin cylinder in my 1810.

New rings, honed cylinders, lapped valves, flattened heads, new oil lines, with all new Kohler gaskets. I did not split the case. I followed the Kohler service manual and everything turned out very well.

Some of Kohlers other engines call for the engine to be run and then the head bolts to be re torqued, but not the M18 (at least from what I could find). I curious as to why? I will say it would be very difficult on the twin to do this cause of the engine tin and oil lines that are blocking access to the head bolts.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-03-2022, 03:13 PM
West Valley G West Valley G is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Three Forks, MT
Posts: 804
Default

I think it is a good idea to re-torque. And you are correct it's a bit of a
pain. I did one a while back and put the engine back in the frame without
the tins and only a couple mounting bolts. Ran it through a couple heat
cycles, pulled the engine and re-tourqued. Put all the tins back on and
then re installed engine. I found that the torque had not changed as much
as other Kohlers I have done. But I guess its good piece of mind. Plus you
get quite fast at pulling and reinstalling the engine.

Ken
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-03-2022, 03:32 PM
Club Cadet Club Cadet is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 38
Default

You did it the smart way.

Im 100% buttoned up bolted tight. I just can’t figure what’s different about the magnums when it comes to this issue.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-03-2022, 04:23 PM
ol'George's Avatar
ol'George ol'George is online now
Grand Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: MI
Posts: 6,623
Default

Do it now, or later, when they need replaced because you didn't retorque them.
Many years ago I thought I could get by with just overtightening them a few extra pounds.
It worked well for a few mowing's maybe 10-15 hours, then I heard it "whistling" so I replaced the whistler, and thought I'd check the other head.
When I felt how loose those head bolts were, I replaced it also and when the head came off, it too showed signs of leaking, it just didn't get to the "whistling" stage yet.
I still remember Clint Eastwood saying "Do you feel lucky punk?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-05-2022, 10:37 PM
Club Cadet Club Cadet is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 38
Default

Well I torn the engine back out and went over the head bolts. They all turned a bit before the torque wrench clicked. Maybe 20 - 30 degrees of rotation +/-. There is about 10 hours on the engine at this point. Took me about 4 hours.

So I guess Im in the retorque club now too. Something to consider when putting one of these twins together.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-06-2022, 07:07 AM
1711Cub's Avatar
1711Cub 1711Cub is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Elkland, PA
Posts: 741
Arrow

While I love the smooth torquey operation from these, they do have some quirks, such as the gov. gear , the ever loving thirst for gasoline, and the head retorque. I do like the separate jugs. It makes it easy to work on and replace if they do wear out or become damaged. I just wished they had used the more robust iron gov. gear from the K series singles, and pinned the shaft from the factory.
__________________

582, 682, 782, 782D, 1282, 1050, 1210 x 2, 1711, and 1811
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-06-2022, 07:46 AM
Club Cadet Club Cadet is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 38
Default

Yes, I suppose its a compromise just like everything else on this planet. If you want the power and smooth operation of a twin then you will burn more fuel and have to put up with the quirks from that setup. I had a 12HP K301 before this in a 1210 and it had good power but nothing like this twin. The twin is much smoother and more quiet than the 12HP was.

The M18 had 1000 hours on it when it became mine and from what I can tell the internals had never been touched and it still ran great. That's 35 years of service so even if the M18 has some weak links internally they are still very strong.

The separate jugs are cool. I used to own a air-cooled VW beetle and I couldn't help but notice the similarities between the M18 and 1600cc VW engine. Horizontally opposed, separate jugs, split engine case....
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-06-2022, 08:03 AM
West Valley G West Valley G is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Three Forks, MT
Posts: 804
Default

I would think that is 4 hours well spent. Now a person can just enjoy
using the tractor instead of wondering it the head is leaking.
I love the M18, but come to think of it I kinda love the 301 and all other
stuff that gets torn into around here.

Ken
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:29 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

Cub Cadet is a premium line of outdoor power equipment, established in 1961 as part of International Harvester. During the 1960s, IH initiated an entirely new line of lawn and garden equipment aimed at the owners rural homes with large yards and private gardens. There were a wide variety of Cub Cadet branded and after-market attachments available; including mowers, blades, snow blowers, front loaders, plows, carts, etc. Cub Cadet advertising at that time harped on their thorough testing by "boys - acknowledged by many as the world's worst destructive force!". Cub Cadets became known for their dependability and rugged construction.

MTD Products, Inc. of Cleveland, Ohio purchased the Cub Cadet brand from International Harvester in 1981. Cub Cadet was held as a wholly owned subsidiary for many years following this acquisition, which allowed them to operate independently. Recently, MTD has taken a more aggressive role and integrated Cub Cadet into its other lines of power equipment.

This website and forum are not affiliated with or sponsored by MTD Products Inc, which owns the CUB CADET trademarks. It is not an official MTD Products Inc, website, and MTD Products Inc, is not responsible for any of its content. The official MTD Products Inc, website can be found at: http://www.mtdproducts.com. The information and opinions expressed on this website are the responsibility of the website's owner and/or it's members, and do not represent the opinions of MTD Products Inc. IH, INTERNATIONAL HARVESTER are registered trademark of CNH America LLC

All material, images, and graphics from this site are the property of www.onlycubcadets.net. Any unauthorized use, reproductions, or duplications are prohibited unless solely expressed in writing.

Cub Cadet, Cub, Cadet, IH, MTD, Parts, Tractors, Tractor, International Harvester, Lawn, Garden, Lawn Mower, Kohler, garden tractor equipment, lawn garden tractors, antique garden tractors, garden tractor, PTO, parts, online, Original, 70, 71, 72, 73, 76, SO76, 80, 81, 86, 100, 102, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108,109, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 147, 149, 169, 182, 282, 382, 482, 580, 582, 582 Special, 680, 682, 782, 782D, 784, 800, 805, 882, 982, 984, 986, 1000, 1015, 1100, 1105, 1110, 1200, 1250, 1282, 1450, 1512, 1604, 1605, 1606, 1610, 1615, 1620, 1650, 1710, 1711, 1712, 1806, 1810, 1811, 1812, 1912, 1914.