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Old 08-21-2018, 12:02 PM
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Hey Mr, J-Mech, if those engines have balance gears, should not they be chucked in the trash can?
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Hey Mr, J-Mech, if those engines have balance gears, should not they be chucked in the trash can?
I don't put them back in.
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Because there is a crank bearing. Two of them.
There is no rod bearing.
Sorry to Apex, terminology do get mixed up once in a while. Crank bearing= never seen a bad one. Mike
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Sorry to Apex, terminology do get mixed up once in a while. Crank bearing= never seen a bad one. Mike
Bad bearings happen. Just not often.
Terminology often gets mixed up by the inexperienced.
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Why does everybody think there is a crank bearing? There is no bearing. Aluminum rod on steel crank. Unless you have one cut in the rod.BTDT Mike
You can buy rods for kohlers with actual journal bearings installed in them. I asked which bearing the OP was talking about because who knows what his engine has in it. Could have been rebuilt already.
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You can buy rods for kohlers with actual journal bearings installed in them. I asked which bearing the OP was talking about because who knows what his engine has in it. Could have been rebuilt already.
This is actually a really good question for Jon,

Have you done one of these with bearing? If so did you notice a difference? I would think this would make higher RPM's a bit safer at least for bottom end.

Or even at 3600 I would think it was have more longevity,.
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This is actually a really good question for Jon,

Have you done one of these with bearing? If so did you notice a difference? I would think this would make higher RPM's a bit safer at least for bottom end.

Or even at 3600 I would think it was have more longevity,.
I rebuilt a k341 a few months ago that had a rod bearing in it when I took it apart, the bearing and crank looked so good I thought about reusing it but didn't want to take a chance on the rod breaking.
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This is actually a really good question for Jon,

Have you done one of these with bearing? If so did you notice a difference? I would think this would make higher RPM's a bit safer at least for bottom end.

Or even at 3600 I would think it was have more longevity,.
Only advantage to a rod bearing is not having to replace the rod on a rebuild. Even then.... who wants to run an old aluminum rod? The guys who came out with the rod bearing insert are pullers who rebuilt often. Unless you are going to run the engine well above 4,0000 (5-10k) no real advantage. But if you go that high, you are going to be using a different crank and rod (designed with an insert) anyway.
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Only advantage to a rod bearing is not having to replace the rod on a rebuild. Even then.... who wants to run an old aluminum rod? The guys who came out with the rod bearing insert are pullers who rebuilt often. Unless you are going to run the engine well above 4,0000 (5-10k) no real advantage. But if you go that high, you are going to be using a different crank and rod (designed with an insert) anyway.
Gotcha... Thanks for the info
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I rebuilt a k341 a few months ago that had a rod bearing in it when I took it apart, the bearing and crank looked so good I thought about reusing it but didn't want to take a chance on the rod breaking.
Did the rod say Alcoa on it? That is the best one made and was used in the 18hp. That's the one pullers might reuse in a 4-5K rpm governed class. Mike
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