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Old 02-06-2012, 11:38 AM
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Default 1A Turns freely but looks rough

I'm watching Sugarmakers thread and was prompted to do an 1A I picked up but it turns freely. I shot bolts and external moveable parts with WD-40 and moveable parts are (and were) all free. I pulled the pins and thought maybe I shouldn't open this up. I was concerned about inside because of it's age even though there was no sign of leaks. I bought this last summer and have not used it yet and have no idea how the PO treated it. I want it to look nicer which just means paint but more importantly I want it to be a worker. The bearings are sound. Since everything moves freely, should I tare it apart just to change the lube because of it's age?
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:03 PM
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Congrats! That looks great compaired to my old tiller Ben got off me. If it turns freely I'd let it be.

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Old 02-06-2012, 01:16 PM
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Nice find on your tiller.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:31 PM
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Congrats! That looks great compaired to my old tiller Ben got off me. If it turns freely I'd let it be.

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http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=8474
That's just what I wanted to hear. I don't have the cover like on the one in the link but this does have some paint. My pics were of the worst parts. The tines look like they will be very difficult to get off to open it up. I didn't know if the lube could even hold up this long. The tines actually look like they didn't see much action. I have the charger and plastic barrel so I'm off to get the Sodium Carbonate to do my first electrolysis.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:42 PM
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Fleetline,
Nice to see someone else diving into the tiller restoration. Someone on here posted some very nice shots of a tiller they had just done and it got my juices flowing too.
I see you tipped it up on end and then spun the unit with the pulley right? If it really spins free then you may be fine. My bottom bearings were shot. I did not know that until I took it apart. So I did not have a choice. I see your dust covers (on the bottom bearings) are in much better shape than mine. That could be a good indication of acceptable bearing condition? The gear box on a #1 or 1A tiller was about the toughest diss-assembly that I have done in a long time. But when going back together it really made a big difference. I did not find a lot of other folks that have taken these all apart. Which means that most that spin will keep spinning for a while longer As I have thought a lot about these for the past month I think the addition of a port on the top of the gear box that would allow you to add some lube would be a good addition to these. I did not do that (yet).
Your 1A looks very similar in condition to the #1 I worked on.
FYI all new bearings (6 items ) from Cub dealer will set you back about $300.
I will be watching!
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:41 PM
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Hey Curtis that tiller looks familiar. Oh yea we moved it from the trailer. I would wish you luck but who needs luck when you have skill. And thanks again for letting EricR and I over to see your herd and thanks for the supper. Yes folks we had a little mini central PA get together on Sunday.
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Fleetline,
Nice to see someone else diving into the tiller restoration. Someone on here posted some very nice shots of a tiller they had just done and it got my juices flowing too.
I see you tipped it up on end and then spun the unit with the pulley right? If it really spins free then you may be fine. My bottom bearings were shot. I did not know that until I took it apart. So I did not have a choice. I see your dust covers (on the bottom bearings) are in much better shape than mine. That could be a good indication of acceptable bearing condition? The gear box on a #1 or 1A tiller was about the toughest diss-assembly that I have done in a long time. But when going back together it really made a big difference. I did not find a lot of other folks that have taken these all apart. Which means that most that spin will keep spinning for a while longer As I have thought a lot about these for the past month I think the addition of a port on the top of the gear box that would allow you to add some lube would be a good addition to these. I did not do that (yet).
Your 1A looks very similar in condition to the #1 I worked on.
FYI all new bearings (6 items ) from Cub dealer will set you back about $300.
I will be watching!
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Chris
Chris,
I had no idea the bearings were so much. I just wanted to know it's in good working order and you can see it needs painted. It does turn nicely. I'm thinking $300 would have paid for one in better shape. I did think I would have to open it up but that would have been just to inspect and change the lube. One would think there'd be a fill and drain for it. If you drill into yours be mindful of the metal shavings getting inside. (Lots of grease on the bit.) I have another 1A with no extensions but the pulley isn't connected inside so no telling what's going on in there. I was using WD-40 but I went ahead and got some PB B'laster for it today because of this site. I last used it like 20 years ago and wasn't impressed. That could have just been because of whatever I was working on. I'll start a new thread when I get it fully disassembled and can really work on it.
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Curtis,
I am sure you can get the bearings cheaper than from a dealer but I bet you would still pay half of that for all 6 units. I lucked out and found some good used parts from AJ Gross. The bearings and chain drive are the heart of this animal. If they are not in good working order you might have a short than expected tiller life. Bottom ones must be in good shape. The uppers are generally out of the dirt and may be in better condition and usable as is. (of course I have no idea the condition of yours only a tear down or maybe good spin up might tell you.) Yours does look like about the same paint and rust condition.
The grease on the inside of the case on mine was all but gone and so thick that it was not going to provide any lube.
I like the idea on the grease on the bit. I should have drilled a fluid port when I had the case apart!
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Curtis I wish you good luck on your tiller. I am sad to say that I think I'm just about out of tiller parts now. SOMEONE bought me out of them........

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Old 02-07-2012, 11:17 PM
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Hey Curtis that tiller looks familiar. Oh yea we moved it from the trailer. I would wish you luck but who needs luck when you have skill. And thanks again for letting EricR and I over to see your herd and thanks for the supper. Yes folks we had a little mini central PA get together on Sunday.
I was glad to have you guys over. I'm already looking forward to getting out to your place. I'll try to hold out till Eric gets that little part fabricated.

If this takes two weeks of soaking like your steering did I'll be needing to do something else while I wait. I may not be able to get those tine shafts off in the end but that won't be to bad. At least until it needs gone over inside. I do have a sleeve on a bolt I can't get to very well. It has to come off to free the lower arms and it's really giving me grief.
I'm all set to get an electrolysis tank going but I don't know if it can be done outside in the winter here. Wouldn't that freeze??? I don't want to try that inside. I suppose I should start in on it with a wire wheel. It's all apart save those last three parts.
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