82 series factory style 3 pt questions

[Radioguy41]

It does fit flush.

[Farmall450]

Originally Posted by Radioguy41

Here is a copy I found of the instruction sheet. 82 series is different from other WF's.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the 82 series does not need a lift block, just a proper clevis pin.

[Farmall450]

Originally Posted by Radioguy41

Ah, now we're cookin. Thanks guys. Never thought to look for attachment info in a chassis service manual. I downloaded a couple of the later service manuals and noticed that apparently the only time that piece is shown is in context with the Cat 0 type 3pt hitch. Here's another version showing the lift bar connected without that piece so I'm guessing I don't really need it since I'm going with a sleeve hitch, not a Cat 0 3pt. That sound about right?

Neither the sleeve hitch OR the cat 0 have a lift block on the 82 series. I added a sleeve hitch to my 782 (CCC built, IH parts) and my CCC 984 w/ factory Cat 0 has the same arrangement w/ a longer lift bar.

Design improvement from IH/CCC as the models matured.

[Farmall450]

Originally Posted by Radioguy41

Well after comparing a bunch of photos I think the problem is with the repro bar. The hole at the front is drilled too far back thereby causing interference with that clevis pin. I'm wondering if I could get away with trimming off a bit. Any opinions?

The ones I bought from Aaron were perfect. What are you measuring from center of the hole to end of the bar?

[Farmall450]

Originally Posted by Radioguy41

This is where it's shown as being used. 82 series is different than other WF's which is why I'm looking for specific info. Supposedly the pin that normally connects the rockshaft to the hydraulic cylinder inserts from the frame side but from what I'm surmising the head of that pin would interfere with the lifting bar so the piece shown above replaces that cylinder pin by moving it to the inside thereby eliminating the interference issue. All this is a theory I've put together based on very sparse info available on the Internet so I'm hoping to find something concrete; photos, actual experience, a specific manual, etc.

As you can see in this picture there's no lift block, just the lift bar held by the aforementioned clevis pin.

How'd you guys let this thread go on 3 pages

To be fair, when I first thought to put a sleeve hitch on my 782 I assumed I needed a lift block too until I took the tunnel cover off.

[Radioguy41]

It's not a lift block, it's to replace the hyd cyl to rockshaft pin so there is no intereference between the head of the original pin and the lift bar. I went to an old timey Cadet dealer nearby yesterday and he knew what I meant, showed me in his parts book, and said he can get one for me by next week, the warehouse has some in stock.

What I suspect you may have is a cut down lift bar like those shown below for comparison. Note how little metal is left between the wall of the hole and the end of the bar. If you're going to use down pressure on an implement that will put a lot of pressure on that thin wall because downward pressure is accomplished by pulling on the bar. Will it hold up? Maybe but if there wasn't any concern at IH, why make that part?

#12 - Pin Assy, Lift, 703-0176

[Radioguy41]

After getting my hands on one of those pins, finding out it doesn't fit my Cadet, and doing a bunch of research and talking to an old timey dealer here's the findings:

That piece is used after serial number 678912. It seems IH made a production change at that serial number. Prior to that part num IH-144650-C2 was used. After that part num 703-0176 was used. Compare the two pins below and you'll see IH went to a heavier, thicker pin. I have also posted a photo of how the original pin interferes with my liftbar. So, apparently later production and repro bars are made to fit the later pin design which leaves me with my original problem, how to eliminate the interference with that bloody pin, either cut down the end of the bar or have a special pin made. Time for a beer.

[darkminion_17]

Parts by Jeff at the top of the sponsor header will likely be able to help you, he lives in your area.

[Radioguy41]

Thanks, I've already been in touch with him. Having wasted $40 on a part I can't use I'm reluctant to get involved in having a custom part made when the alternative is too just cut down the lift bar which is probably what I should have done in the first place.

Since IH didn't have the forethought to include all the changes at the serial number shown above in a single listing you have to scrounge through several listings to discover that the hydraulic cylinder, the rockshaft lift bracket assembly, and that pin all changed. Then apparently there was a change again at serial number 716388. I've seen inconsistencies in manuals before but nothing like this.

[Radioguy41]

I cut down the lift bar and it now clears the pin. I hung the sleeve hitch assembly and as soon as it stops raining I'll hang the rock rake on it and see how she works. Thanks for all the suggestions guys.