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Old 10-12-2020, 07:08 PM
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Thanks and those are good things to consider. This has been blasted, (although the rear end hasnt, may use stripper or just prep and paint that) and who knows how much less the DTM can deal with minute rust residue than primer?

Was considering self-etching primer until he said that it requires regular primer over it. Well now we talking a $400 or more paint job. On this? No way. I want to stay married!

As I said he did relate that his industrial customers love it on repaints of all kinds of equipment, no complaints.

Maybe this is optimistic, but I think it will be just fine especially being a 2-part urethane...

we shall see...
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Old 10-16-2020, 02:29 PM
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Well Michaelangelo I am not. But first coat is on the wheels. Ran out of time for a second. Was hard to get paint to go behind the "slots" resulting in runs. Next time I would use a foam brush there then shoot the wheels.
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Model 70/100 Mar 2021 buried in rust, frozen engine, got free for parts.

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Old 10-16-2020, 07:40 PM
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Was hard to get paint to go behind the "slots" resulting in runs. Next time I would use a foam brush there then shoot the wheels.
Yes, Been there, done that. What you can try is to back down your air pressure and paint volume enough where you can get in close with the nozzle. Do the slots first as best you can, then up your pressure and volume to more normal and do the he rest of the wheel. Find something similar to practice on first to diial your adjustments in to prevent to much paint and runs.
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Old 10-16-2020, 08:33 PM
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Default Paint! TSC Federal Yellow w hardner?

It's my understanding that using paint hardner can be very dangerous to your lungs, causing permanent damage unless you use the proper PPE. I'm told that it contains cyanide ! Please read the labels before using.

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Old 10-16-2020, 08:41 PM
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It's my understanding that using paint hardner can be very dangerous to your lungs, causing permanent damage unless you use the proper PPE. I'm told that it contains cyanide ! Please read the labels before using.

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Could depend on the brand of paint hardener whether it has cyanide in it, but I'm sure most paint and paint hardener is dangerous for your lungs. But hey, what do I know, I haven't ever used paint hardener!
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Old 10-22-2020, 11:46 PM
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First time, I used a 3m respirator with the round cloth P100 filters. I could smell the paint, but tried to minimize that (staying upwind). After that I now use P100 3m cartridge filters and can smell nothing. I think the cartridges are good. Im no expert but if they are P100 and I cant smell any paint, assuming thats good enough. EDIT: it is NOT good enough to not smell it, some "nasties" are odorless and can get thru a saturated cartridge. Charcoal P100 filters must be replaced at very short intervals and stored sealed. I may get a supplied air system instead (can use in future paint work).

Anyway, the wheels ended up with some runs etc but the paint laid flat and shiny. I can live with that result for a first try.

Today, with the yellow, it was a DISASTER. I left everything out to cure, went shopping, and when I got back, the surface appears like sandpaper. Like overspray. It didnt look that way when I left. I'll add two pics of the Kohler shroud.

No idea what happened. Wondering if it can be wet sanded or if has to be sandblasted and start over...
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Model 100 Feb 2019 apart for total frame-off / sandblast etc resto

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Model 70/100 Mar 2021 buried in rust, frozen engine, got free for parts.

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Old 10-23-2020, 10:28 AM
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No idea on the paint issue, but I can shed some light on the respirator cartridges.

P100 is a rating for a particulate cartridge. P100's are used for things like asbestos and lead paint removal. P100 is also good for welding (metal) fumes and hexavalent chrome exposure. Anything dirty and dusty is a good place for a P100. Dusts, mists and metal fumes are particulates.

Paint, especially when the paint has hardener in it produces organic vapors. Organic vapors are not stopped by a particulate cartridge, that's why you can smell the paint through the P100. Painting requires an Organic Vapor (OV) cartridge. Smelling the contaminant through the respirator is an indication that the cartridge isn't getting the job done.

A combination OV + P100 cartridge would be an excellent choice for painting, as long as there is sufficient ventilation. We used to put a prefilter on the outside of OV/P100 cartridges to prevent over spray from clogging up the cartridge prematurely.

Of course, the choice of respirator depends on the level of contaminant concentration in the air. A half face air purifying respirator is good for up to 10X the level allowed without protection (per OSHA), some higher concentrations of paint vapors, especially when hardener is used, may require a supplied air system.
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Old 10-23-2020, 07:29 PM
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Thanks Dave. These 3M 60921 filter cartridges actually say Organic Vapors/P100

Thanks for the clarification that P100 is the particulates part of the filtration, but it looks like these also do OV although this particular pair is not new and it looks like OV filters use charcoal that once the package is opened can absorb and "fill up" with organics just from storing them in open air, after a time.


Anyway as to the paint disaster, I was able to flatten the strange roughness with a palm sander using 120 grit sandpaper. It's not going to be perfect but should be acceptable. Even after just 24 hours the paint was quite tough. Was also able to flatten down the runs and sags quite a bit. So I may give it a re-shoot after being more careful with mix ratios etc and try to keep it thin, and see if it looks good enough.
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Model 123 Nov 2020 Hydro needs much work, or resto, building front end loader for this one
Model 100 Feb 2019 apart for total frame-off / sandblast etc resto

Model 70 Sep 2020 needs total resto and an engine, or for parts
Model 70/100 Mar 2021 buried in rust, frozen engine, got free for parts.

two spare hydro rears
"in for a penny, in for a pound!"
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Old 10-24-2020, 09:59 AM
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Thanks Dave. These 3M 60921 filter cartridges actually say Organic Vapors/P100

Thanks for the clarification that P100 is the particulates part of the filtration, but it looks like these also do OV although this particular pair is not new and it looks like OV filters use charcoal that once the package is opened can absorb and "fill up" with organics just from storing them in open air, after a time.
That is exactly correct, OV cartridges use activated charcoal to absorb organic contaminants. You are also correct that the cartridges start absorbing organics as soon as the package is opened. You can't imagine how many years I spent trying to get that point across to the classes I was teaching Respiratory Protection to. Some of them never seemed to get the message that opening the package and letting the cartridges lay around shortened cartridge life. From the pic. it appears that you are on the right track with those combination OV/P100 cartridges.

If you are getting early breakthrough of contaminants, you may try to reduce the concentration of them by increasing the fresh air supply in your work area. If that's not possible because of painting, then a supplied air system, getting your air supply from outside the work area may be your answer.
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Old 11-07-2020, 11:20 AM
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just a quick update, I have a used hobby air supplied air respirator system coming this week. should be able to knock out the paint work most safely with that.

as to paint guns, the traditional gun with my lack of experience didnt produce the best results (runs etc). someone I know suggested the small HVLP detail gun from HF. he painted a very large project and that was all he needed. so I got the full size HVLP and that detail HVLP, just to have them (they are cheap).

I'll keep updating this thread until the tractor is painted, so if anyone else wants to see how to learn the hard way, it will be here for them...

oh yeah, the guy i got the respirator system from uses a "large hose HVLP system" (not sure the real name). it has a vacuum cleaner type blower and a very big hose that delivers warm air (no water contamination possible), says it was the easiest system he ever used. hmmmm
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Model 100 Feb 2019 apart for total frame-off / sandblast etc resto

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Model 70/100 Mar 2021 buried in rust, frozen engine, got free for parts.

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