Starter woes

moses2 · #1 08-07-2018, 10:01 AM

I have a 3235 that I have replaced the starter (DB Electrical) too many times for what appears to be the same issue. DB electrical has been great, sending out a replacement. The problem is that even with a full charge on the battery, the bendix doesn't extend to engage the ring gear. It just spins in its' retracted position. I can work the key between on and off positions and after a few attempts the gear will then extend and engage turning the engine over to start. Charging system is putting out 13.75 when running. I have put a trickle charger on over night, but still the same scenario in the a.m..

cooperino · #2 08-07-2018, 10:04 AM

New starter should not be causing the drain. How are the teeth on flywheel? With the starter disconnected does the battery still drain? You could have a short leading to the starter.

Welcome BTW. I am In NY also.. Where abouts in NY are you?

moses2 · #3 08-07-2018, 10:16 AM

Thanks for the reply. I'm in Cobleskill NY. The starters work when I first install them. I removed the last one, leaving it hooked up so I could watch what I was hearing( the bendix spoolling up ) and saw the bendix spinning without extending. The battery is a year or two old, the teeth are all there on the ring gear. A few turns with the key usually will get things started. I just don't want to ask for yet another starter, but they are more than obliging to do so.

cooperino · #4 08-07-2018, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by moses2

Thanks for the reply. I'm in Cobleskill NY. The starters work when I first install them. I removed the last one, leaving it hooked up so I could watch what I was hearing( the bendix spoolling up ) and saw the bendix spinning without extending. The battery is a year or two old, the teeth are all there on the ring gear. A few turns with the key usually will get things started. I just don't want to ask for yet another starter, but they are more than obliging to do so.

Since you said charging battery overnight. There may be enough battery power available to spin the starter but not throw the bendix. Or if there is a short then the draw may be enough to not throw the bendix. Was the original starter doing the same thing? Was the battery draining before you removed the original starter? 1 bad starter maybe.. 2 or 3 in a row. HIGHLY unlikely.

Terry C · #5 08-07-2018, 12:43 PM

Can you put some lube on the shaft to help it move.
I put a relay on all my CHs. May not help here but if you put one on there
is no question that the bendix is getting full power.

This used to have pics:

https://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/...t=Kohler+relay

moses2 · #6 08-07-2018, 12:55 PM

Yes, the battery tender which indicates a full charge by a green light. Trying to start it at that moment will spin the gear, but not throw the bendix. And yes, 3 starters. I replaced the original starter for this reason, and then got about 2 years out of that. These last two have been just a couple months. It's intermittent. I can be running the tractor for a period of time, shut it off for a few minutes and go to start it and have the same thing happen. Most times a couple clicks with the key and it starts. Turns the engine over like it should. How would I check for a short?

moses2 · #7 08-07-2018, 12:56 PM

Thanks Terry. I'll check out the pics. Never Seize on the shaft?

moses2 · #8 08-07-2018, 01:02 PM

Couldn't see any pics but the description is good. He gave a kit number I'll check out.

Green stripe wide frame · #9 08-07-2018, 01:21 PM

I wouldn't put any lube on the shaft. Its just going to collect dirt and debris and cause other issues.

cooperino · #10 08-07-2018, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Green stripe wide frame

I wouldn't put any lube on the shaft. Its just going to collect dirt and debris and cause other issues.

What he said.. Its meant to be dry. Otherwise it would have an oiler on it. I think your issue is a power issue.