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Old 08-14-2018, 09:53 PM
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Yes.. Also known as fusion welding. Thats the technical term for it. Like I said. Not really for a novice. I would not say its easier than braze.
This film is probably from he 40's or 50's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOucFIZ21sI
It's far from obsolete.
I agree, it's not really for a novice.
It's harder than brazing, yes.

No doubt at all, a MIG, or even a TIG, would make this much easier.
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Old 08-14-2018, 09:58 PM
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Without the copper, the tiller tine would end up being a puddle solidifying on the floor
Maybe for you it would.
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:41 PM
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No, he's talking about welding with a torch. Like brazing, only without using brazing rod. You can weld it with the torch only, or add steel if necessary. I've used thin welding rod with the flux chipped off before. (1/16" or 3/32" rod) Can't use too thick a rod, or it will take more heat to melt than the deck metal.

I was also going to suggest that George, but it is hard to do if you don't know how.
FWIW:

Re bar tie wire and plain coat hanger(non galvanized) works well for filler wire.
And i'm not talking about welding with a cutting torch.
A welding torch is used with tips from about 000 to #5 is ideal.
Stick welding rod don't work worth a dam as filler rod with a torch.

Brazing and silver solder has it's place,I use it, but once a piece of metal is brazed, soft or silver soldered,you will never be able weld it later, as it is in the pores of the metal.
Gas welding is ideal on cooling shrouds with vibration cracks or broken mounting tabs on Kohlers ( of course any engine) as an example.
You can puddle filler wire in some pretty thin rusted metal, like decks, exhaust pipes/mufflers, etc.
If the metal is in good shape, a stick welder is my go-to weapon.
Mig/Tig is quick and ok but it can only go so thin on metal, then you blow through.
Gas weld you can go real thin once you learn how.
Like anything, practice is the key.
( I know Jon knows all this) but some might not, thus I mention it.

Just another old skool "tool" in a fellers box.
Oh,
as an afterthought, larger welding supply shops have actual torch filler rod as well as rods for things like 4130 chromoly steel.
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6011 is a general purpose rod. Use it.
6013 isn't a bad choice either.

7018 is a harder steel rod. Yes, it is multiple position, but it's harder to follow while welding if you are inexperienced.

Welding thin metal with a stick welder isn't easy. If you don't do it much, you might make it worse.
I have some 6011. I'll practice with it. If I get into trouble, I'll look for help.
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Get a piece of 1/8 inch thick copper,,,
clean the non-weld side very good, then clamp the copper to the back.
Thanks, that sounds like a plan! Thanks.
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Jon's correct. If you have torches, braising may he the best result.
No torches. It's either stick weld or have someone else do it. I'm going to try it, though.
When I was working, I got to be pretty good at spray welding.



But I don't have access to that equipment now.
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I've burned many a pounds of 6013.... back in a different life... Now its all wire when I have the need...
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Yes.. Also known as fusion welding. Thats the technical term for it. Like I said. Not really for a novice. I would not say its easier than braze.
This film is probably from he 40's or 50's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOucFIZ21sI
That old film brings back memories of welding in VoAg shop classes back in the sixties when I was in high school. We had a teacher who was an excellent welder and would watch films like that during class. I really enjoy gas fusion welding and for many years did many welding repairs and body work with it. At one time many auto bodies and some air planes were fusion welded aluminum. Now those were some real craftsman. I also have used the copper back up strip when welding thin metal to help prevent burn through and also when building up edges. For the deck repair it would be a big help. One thing before trying to weld the deck use a wire brush on an angle grinder on both sides to get it clean to shiny bare metal. A grinder will just thin it out to much. Good luck.
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