Need advice for a Johnson Loader on a 982 - Page 5

Cub Cadet 123 · #41 12-15-2016, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mjsoldcub

cub 123 are you planning on mowing with this tractor??? are you sure there is no potential for a resiovoir on the loader??? it doesnt look like it but you would know??? (me) personally would like to just hit a switch and have all the fluid and hydraulic power you need for the loader, seperate, without taking from one of the main functions of the tractor,( the hydro)...as it will be hard enough on it when you really get to using that loader, trust me...you wont mean to be beating on it but it will be beating on it.. i mean what if you wanted to use the loader and have the remotes still available for some reason??? would there be enough capacity?? i dont know...
use an old mule drive,mount the pump to it, it will be nice and tucked up there, removable and doesnt have to run all the time, just using the electric pto on your tractor... short belt, in and out to the spool valve on the loader, well via whatever the resiovior turns out to be is... shit maybe a detachable weight box on the rear???? or see if you can use the loader frame??? wish i could post pictures of the loader i did for my dads NAA jubee.. its really nice power everything, own pump and all fluid is contained in the loader....

good luck...im excited for you...ill be putting one on a '48 8n with sherman trans here soon...sucks no live hydraulics on it, (pto has to be spinning) though so again thats why im a fan of seperate systems...

Thanks! I'm with you, it would be great if it was self contained. I haven't seen it in around 2 years, just the pics that he sent me. Put in a 14+ hr day and looks like that is going to continue until possibly Monday, then I will go get the loader and know more about it.....time just is never on my side. I used the 982 this last summer for mowing duty, but I had just gotten it and was eager to try it out. Then after my operation, I wasn't able to move any decks around to set up any other mower. So this next year, I hope things are different. The man who has the loader said he set it up so that he could remove it and put it back on in about 15 minutes.

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J-Mech · #42 12-15-2016, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Oak

Fab you up one of these, run it off the rear of the hydro and use the transmission for the sump. Of course that's if you don't have rear pto.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...9706_200329706

As a note, that pump is nearly the same size of pump as the charge pump on the hydro. So.... if it's the same.....

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Originally Posted by mjsoldcub

(me) personally would like to just hit a switch and have all the fluid and hydraulic power you need for the loader, seperate, without taking from one of the main functions of the tractor,( the hydro)...as it will be hard enough on it when you really get to using that loader, trust me...you wont mean to be beating on it but it will be beating on it.. i mean what if you wanted to use the loader and have the remotes still available for some reason??? would there be enough capacity?? i dont know...

I know you focused this question toward Maxwell, but I don't really think that's fair as he is asking questions too because he doesn't know the answers....

You can put a hydraulic valve in that would divert flow to the loader valve but still give you all the remotes for use on the tractor. It would have a valve that would have to be switched when the loader was on or off. Kubota used this style on their early loader hydraulics. Quick couplers mounted to the frame, plug them in, switch the valve, loader is ready for operation.

Using the fluid power from the hydro DOES NOT affect the hydro. Plenty of fluid is still available for it as the fluid used for power beyond hydraulics is the fluid left over after charge pressure has been taken care of. Will it generate more heat on the oil: sure. But not enough to make any kind of difference. Definitely no more heat than power steering does on the subsequent models. Unless the loader will be used like a uni-loader cleaning out a cattle barn, the common home owner would never use it long enough to get the oil hot enough to be a problem. On the rare occasion you would, a short break would cool it off. Remember, even if the loader had it's own reservoir and hydraulic system, it won't be cooled, and won't have any more fluid in it than the rear of a cub holds. (Most of the loaders used 2/3 gallon reservoir.)

On the question of would there be enough capacity:
For what? Using a loader and the remotes?? For like a blade on the rear with hydraulic angle? Yes... it would be fine. You can only run one function at a time no matter what. You aren't going to be lifting a loader all the way in the air with the bucket dumped while trying to blade gravel... and even if you did, a blade cylinder wouldn't even need a cup more oil fully extended.

I know everyone here is trying to help... but a full grasp of hydraulics isn't had by everyone. Nor is it necessary for what this is. For the record, I don't care how it gets mounted. Run off the existing system, a separate system... either way, I bet it works. My point is, that buying another pump isn't necessary, if you know how to plumb it in. That's just more money to spend. If that's what is wanted for simplicity, or whatever reason... then hey that's great! But don't discount an idea just because you don't understand it. CAD's loaders he made all ran off the hydraulics of the tractor. Granted, they were one arm loaders, but the only difference is speed of operation. I don't think you would ever notice. From what I've seen none of the GT loaders are very fast on their own hyd system.

If you aren't sure what you want to do, there is a test you can do and it's simple:
Get the loader brackets and everything made and attached to the frame. Make up some hoses and plug them into the front couplers (assuming your 982 has them) and run them to the loader valve. See how you like the operation. If you think it's too slow, or you run the reservoir dry at full extension, then hey, mount a pump and tank. Remember, that for ease of operation, the tank needs to be part of the loader or it will just be another thing you have to remove if you want to take it off.
If you do like the operation, and you have a dual spool, you could remove the valve on the loader, add a second set of couplers on the front (or rear) and run the loader off the levers on the dash.

Obviously, I like my position. If I had a loader, I'd rather mount it and plug in a couple hoses and go. No mounting a pump, tank, running hoses from an external pump to the external valve.... just mount it and go. But I've been around the block on tractors a few times and I have the knowledge and ability to make it work. For others, that may just be out of their ability. Not making fun of anyone by any means.... but it's just how it is. Plus, it may not work (too slow, not enough fluid). You could do the math and figure it out, but it's faster to just plug it in and try it.

Rescue11 · #43 12-15-2016, 10:18 PM

You would be amazed what you can run with the ported hydro pump on a cub. A dual 12v selector valve and you could double your hydraulic circuits for a fraction of the cost of going the other way.

Like Jon said, this isnt a skid steer, you may test its limits, but you will break something. When you need to add 400+ lbs of ballast not including the 150+ lbs tare weight of the loader and you go prying around on a tractor that really wasnt designed for a loader.... well 2+2 still = 4

That said, I am curious to see that loader on a 982. Done correctly i think it will mostly look cool but could be useful for small projects. Good luck and looking forward to pix!

mjsoldcub · #44 12-16-2016, 01:11 PM

i like the innuendo of others and, "their lack of compared to mine"...thats a syndrome, stemming from....????....hilarious....wheres all your amazing shit???

so anyways cubby, heres an old ford loader that i drug out of the weeds where it sat for 20 yrs, (of course it didnt look like this, i fixed it up for my dad)....but this tractor used to have a loader with only one way cylinders and a trip bucket...yet the part i HATED the most about it was you used to have to use a selectrol valve to use either the rear 3pt or the loader....YES PEOPLE DO USE BOTH... i use both, often at the SAME time, tree stumps, snow, land leveling, using the blade as a brake while the loader gets filled with wood, whatever....and like i said before...now, with this new loader, (and this pic is old its actually even nicer and the lights are back on the tractor and so on and so forth) we got rid of that stupid valve, it has a front mounted pump hooked up via lovejoy,( i will try to get a pic, as its pretty nice

) and guess what, no replumbing of the tractor, just pull a couple pins and the whole loader comes off...it has its own filter, takes its own strain and you can even use the rest of the tractors hydraulic system AT THE SAME TIME....but whatever, its just to offer an example, but like i said, im dumb as shit too.....

ps, thats just the snow bucket, theres a smaller one he uses in the summer we and i made him forks for it too..cant see the pump because the aluminum diamond plate is covering it....

just having fun....
ITS FRIDAY!!!

good luck

mike James

J-Mech · #45 12-16-2016, 02:05 PM

Just because I possess the knowledge doesn't mean I have the funds. None of the guys who designed the space shuttle own one. People who design cars don't build them at home. Most all of what I've built was for other people. No picks because when you do it for a living the awe goes away after a while.

I see you have plenty of rebuilt stuff..... good for you. Easy to fix stuff someone else designed.

Your the one who keeps saying your "dumb as shit". I implied nothing other than I have abilities, training and knowledge most don't. If that bothers you, that's your deal.

mjsoldcub · #46 12-16-2016, 03:53 PM

It doesnt bother me Jon....as ive said before, i like you.... in fact i offered to drive to your state and BRING YOU that 268 blower just to meet you face to face, and for CHEAP..you didnt even respond....ive rebuild alot of stuff just because i usually needed it and i dont have the funds to buy new either, or frankly the desire...(i love old iron) i was raised that way too...my job all day is building things from drawings and designing and building fixtures to replicate parts and process...problem solving all day AND manage 40 people...but that doesnt matter, just makes me sound like an asshole on a cub GT site..I just think that your ego has at times made you close minded, and you treat people like shit sometimes unnecessarily..Now, i dont think anyone would argue that you dont know your shit, or that you wont take your time to help people, because you do...

but just like saying all ive ever done is to just rebuild straight forward shit in front of me and likening yourself to "designing space shuttles"....c'mon bro that just makes you sound like a dick...like a couple pics and some restored cubs are my greatest achievements??? you dig what im saying....its almost so bad it sounds like youre making up for something.....just saying...and the reason i say im just a dumbass is because i spent 1/3 of my life in prison for armed robbery's, and assualts, concealed weapons, drugs, and DWIs, etc....all because of being a dumbass mixed with a heavy dose of drugs and drinking...frankly its quite embarrassing to admit, but im 15yrs sober,I have a family, a nice house, no debt, an OK job, and alot of good in my life, and i did it all on my own from THE ABSOLUTE BOTTOM....so in all this

, learn some fucking humility towards others ok...please....youll be such an asset, instead of just an asshole....you want to see my IH cub cadet tattoo????

you are the man though
thank you, and sorry for going in an appropriate place on an unappropriate place....liven this sucker up some....
mikej

Sam Mac · #47 12-16-2016, 05:52 PM

This thread is getting out of control, I'm getting close to hitting the delete thread button. I would appreciate it if you guys would take the personal crap out of your comments. I suggest that you post your suggestions and let it go at that, this continuing "I know best crap" is getting old. Thank you and Merry Christmas.

Cub Cadet 123 · #48 12-16-2016, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac

This thread is getting out of control, I'm getting close to hitting the delete thread button. I would appreciate it if you guys would take the personal crap out of your comments. I suggest that you post your suggestions and let it go at that, this continuing "I know best crap" is getting old. Thank you and Merry Christmas.

I started this thread for help and would certainly appreciate it if you did not close it! I need the advice, information, and pics to keep coming in and I am venturing into unexplored area for myself. Gentlemen, please note my earlier post in my thread about keeping egos in check and PLEASE DELETE YOUR FOUL LANGUAGE. This thread has the potential of helping more people than me in the future and I really need for it to live on a while longer. After briefly speaking to my friend today, I am supposed to pick up the loader next Tuesday. Some of you guys know what you are doing and the fact that you create/engineer/design/etc. do it differently does not mean that one is any better than another, it just means that you think differently. In my eyes, and I usually oversee the work of around 200 people and analyze/problem solve/design/manage/etc. everyday all of the time, it is never a question of "how smart are you?", but "how are you smart?". Everyone is smart in different ways and I believe a great leader/manager will make the most of others and utilize them in their talents and skills to the best of his/her way in order to optimize a solution. Well, enough said.......simply put, you can catch a lot more flies with honey than vinegar and catching flies is what our team needs to do so we can get up to bat. Two wrongs never make a right, two Wrights made an airplane, and three rights make a left (a little levity to lighten the mood and make us all laugh at the situation).......let's work together. To quote General S. Patton, "If all of us are thinking the same, then none of us are thinking!". Keep our differences civil, fellas....

Cub Cadet 123

mjsoldcub · #49 12-18-2016, 05:43 PM

Get this sucker home yet???

Merk · #50 12-18-2016, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cub Cadet 123

I started this thread for help and would certainly appreciate it if you did not close it! I need the advice, information, and pics to keep coming in and I am venturing into unexplored area for myself. Gentlemen, please note my earlier post in my thread about keeping egos in check and PLEASE DELETE YOUR FOUL LANGUAGE. This thread has the potential of helping more people than me in the future and I really need for it to live on a while longer. After briefly speaking to my friend today, I am supposed to pick up the loader next Tuesday. Some of you guys know what you are doing and the fact that you create/engineer/design/etc. do it differently does not mean that one is any better than another, it just means that you think differently. In my eyes, and I usually oversee the work of around 200 people and analyze/problem solve/design/manage/etc. everyday all of the time, it is never a question of "how smart are you?", but "how are you smart?". Everyone is smart in different ways and I believe a great leader/manager will make the most of others and utilize them in their talents and skills to the best of his/her way in order to optimize a solution. Well, enough said.......simply put, you can catch a lot more flies with honey than vinegar and catching flies is what our team needs to do so we can get up to bat. Two wrongs never make a right, two Wrights made an airplane, and three rights make a left (a little levity to lighten the mood and make us all laugh at the situation).......let's work together. To quote General S. Patton, "If all of us are thinking the same, then none of us are thinking!". Keep our differences civil, fellas....

Cub Cadet 123

I'm with Cub Cadet 123.
I purchase a Kwick-Way loader a month ago. The loader doesn't have the framework between the loader and the tractor and it is missing the hydraulic pump and mounting system for the pump. I purchase a set of plans fro PF Engineering to help with what I need for pump and a design to hold pump and the missing framework. PF Engineering has some great plans and information when it comes to loader builds.