Cub Cadet 123 with Loader Rebuild

[cooperino]

Originally Posted by J-Mech

Hydraulics may not be "rocket science" to you and me, but it seems to be for most people. They really struggle with it.

Most of the actual fittings on the loader are NPT, with an adapter.... maybe. Some used all NPT fittings. A lot of the pumps use o-ring, so you may end up with several different types of hose fittings, or using an adapter. No, it's not rocket science, but if you don't know what types of fittings are available, where to get them, how to adapt, have pressure knowledge and all that..... yeah. Hydraulic shop will just "assume" that your working on a Cat loader and sell you the best thing they have. Seen this on here many, many, many times.

Can't argue with you there.. Thats why I was talking about what type of fittings he likely has. We, You or I could easily tell him what fittings he needs crimped if he would like to provide a picture. That areoquip hose might be overkill.. 5 bucks a foot and he would still need access to a crimper and fittings.

[J-Mech]

Originally Posted by cooperino

Can't argue with you there.. Thats why I was talking about what type of fittings he likely has. We, You or I could easily tell him what fittings he needs crimped if he would like to provide a picture. That areoquip hose might be overkill.. 5 bucks a foot and he would still need access to a crimper and fittings.

I wasn't suggesting using Areoquip hose. I just used it as an example of type.

I'm sure he will figure it out.

[finsruskw]

I used a local shop
There were 42 fittings and 34 feet of hose total.
Like I said, I replaced everything.
Maybe I got screwed, IDK
But it sure beat running all over the place and/or waiting on the mail.
They worked with me 100% letting me take home hose and fittings to mix and match to see what I could improve upon in the way of cleaning up the installation. The most expensive fittings were the male swivel pieces.
I wasn't about to scrimp and cut corners just to save a few rusty tee's, elbows and swivel fittings.

[Gravel Road]

Originally Posted by finsruskw

Curious as to the make and model of the loader.
Hose may be cheap but the fittings are not.
I wound up with close to $350 for complete setup new hose and all new fittings for my 2149 DanCo.

Here's a pic of the loader nameplate. I'm really not too worried about the hydraulics yet, since there are so many things to do on the 123 and the parts are easily sourced. The pump rebuild is more concerning, but I haven't even researched parts for that.

[Merk]

Originally Posted by cooperino

Can't argue with you there.. Thats why I was talking about what type of fittings he likely has. We, You or I could easily tell him what fittings he needs crimped if he would like to provide a picture. That areoquip hose might be overkill.. 5 bucks a foot and he would still need access to a crimper and fittings.

The Aeroquip FC300 series hose can assembled with a reusable socket and fitting. One of the socket part number(s) is 1210-(hose size). The hose can be cut to length, clean the ID, screw the socket on, and them screw the fitting on.

I used to work for Aeroquip(Eaton now owns Aeroquip). I worked in a proto type department that build special fittings, hose and tube assemblies. One day I would build the fitting and the next day I build a hose assembly that used the fitting I made the day before.

A good hydraulic shop will ask you what the hose assembly will used on before they build a hose assembly and operating pressure.

The group I work for would used a hose and fittings twice the normal operating pressure (example-1000 psi....used a hose and fitting(s) rated for a 2000 psi max pressure) .

[Gravel Road]

Maybe you guys should buy stock in Kroil penetrating oil, because I've been using the heck out of it on this tractor. The hydro lever was frozen down by the steering column, but a good soaking and letting it sit overnight and it came unstuck.

The quality of the materials is pretty awesome on these, although it seems like a puzzle to take things apart. It seems like you have to take 5 things apart to get 1 out. The steering column assembly (?) sure has a lot of bolts and parts for as simple as it looks.

Right now i'm leaning towards a total disassembly so I can do a better job of painting.

It also needs new tires, as the old ones are dry rotted pretty bad. They were filled for weight and are leaking all over the shop floor.

It's surprising to me that the engine oil looks like it was just changed before getting parked, and the Hydro fluid looks great. Of course, they are getting changed as they are old and who knows how much water is in them. At least they aren't black as tar.

[J-Mech]

Dale,
We used to run Aeroquip hoses at Republic. I actually really like them. The reusable fittings were really nice on hoses that had to flex a lot, or were prone to rubbing due to the flexing they had to do. There are hoses on those stupid garbage trucks that had to be replaced constantly because they rubbed holes in them. (They finally got smart and sleeved them.)

Running twice working pressure rating is a good idea. There is surge pressure to consider.

[jbrewer]

Kroil is great stuff.... but I still can't budge the wheel on my O. :-)

[ol'George]

I've used "parker" reusable hose ends/fittings many times and still have a couple of 5 gallon pails of assorted fittings.
Most places have gone to one time crimp-on fittings as they are less expensive.
Hell even Tractor supply around these parts make custom hoses.
They also have an assortment of ready made hoses in various sizes and lengths.( from China)
Note: I'm not sold on the UV resistance of those china hoses.
I have a few on the old IH TLB and they look weather cracked after a few years.
Not a problem with the Parker hose.

[cooperino]

Originally Posted by Merk

The Aeroquip FC300 series hose can assembled with a reusable socket and fitting. One of the socket part number(s) is 1210-(hose size). The hose can be cut to length, clean the ID, screw the socket on, and them screw the fitting on.

I used to work for Aeroquip(Eaton now owns Aeroquip). I worked in a proto type department that build special fittings, hose and tube assemblies. One day I would build the fitting and the next day I build a hose assembly that used the fitting I made the day before.

A good hydraulic shop will ask you what the hose assembly will used on before they build a hose assembly and operating pressure.

The group I work for would used a hose and fittings twice the normal operating pressure (example-1000 psi....used a hose and fitting(s) rated for a 2000 psi max pressure) .

The reusable fittings are great. I keep a few different brands and sizes for different hose on hand. I only use them in a pinch though to fix a hose quickly in order to run a machine until I can replace the hose. Only issue I have with them is they are damn exspensive. I would not use them to re-hose a machine.