169 in need of an engine transplant

[Cub Cadet 123]

Originally Posted by J-Mech

What is wrong with the original motor?

It's missing! The guy I got the cub from said some puller got it and either was using it or through a rod through it.

Cub Cadet 123

[sawdustdad]

Could you put a K341 from a 1650 in it? You'd have to set up a switch for the PTO, but that's the major difference, right? I think there are enough 1650s around to find one as a donor...

[JLM78]

Originally Posted by Cub Cadet 123

Thank you for the great pics. However, I still don't know if a wheel horse 16 hp Kohler would work or not. Here is a picture of one:


Cub Cadet 123

I don't know. The engine in the pic don't have a start/GEN and the dipstick is on the wrong side

[JLM78]

Originally Posted by sawdustdad

Could you put a K341 from a 1650 in it? You'd have to set up a switch for the PTO, but that's the major difference, right? I think there are enough 1650s around to find one as a donor...

Hears one with I thank 1650 engine. this one for sale on craigslist

[vartz04]

There are 2 different deere 316's so be careful. only the one made during the same time as the 300 has the kohler single cylinder. The JD 300 does also.

As far as it working im not sure.

[clint]

Originally Posted by J-Mech

I believe the Deere motor is the same, but the PTO end of the crankshaft is too long. The wheel horse motor, I believe uses the wrong oil pan to be used for the Cub...... and if that is correct, the blocks are different and a shallow oil pan won't bolt to it.

If that is incorrect, I will stand corrected. I am going off vague memory.

If I am right about the Deere engine..... you could just get the correct crank and swap it. Should be able to get a ground 16HP crank for less than $100

What is wrong with the original motor?

I think J-MECH is correct. The flywheels are slightly different but you should be able to change them out between the cub and john deere. Also if I remember correct you can make, buy, a bushing to put your pto on it if you have to. On the oil pan cub and jd both mount using rubber isolators... you might do a google search for specs, look on ebay at pictures of oil pans etc

[J-Mech]

Originally Posted by clint

I think J-MECH is correct. The flywheels are slightly different but you should be able to change them out between the cub and john deere. Also if I remember correct you can make, buy, a bushing to put your pto on it if you have to. On the oil pan cub and jd both mount using rubber isolators... you might do a google search for specs, look on ebay at pictures of oil pans etc

A bushing won't work with the mechanical clutch. It would on an electric though. I forgot about the flywheels. But yeah that shouldn't be a big deal at all.

[FFGino]

Differences between the various engines:

1. The Cub cranks use a 1"x 2-7/8" PTO end of the crankshaft.
JD and WH use a 1-1/8" x 3-1/4" and longer PTO end.

2. Check the engine tech section of this forum for the differences between
the different Kohler engine oil pan bolt-up areas.

3. The starter/generator engines use a different bearing plate than do the
starter/alternater engines.

4. With a torch, welder, a BFH, and a lot of hair pulling and cussing, you
just might make it work.

(#4 comes from personal experiences!!)

Happy Cubbing!!
FFGino.

[Cub Cadet 123]

Originally Posted by FFGino

Differences between the various engines:

1. The Cub cranks use a 1"x 2-7/8" PTO end of the crankshaft.
JD and WH use a 1-1/8" x 3-1/4" and longer PTO end.

2. Check the engine tech section of this forum for the differences between
the different Kohler engine oil pan bolt-up areas.

3. The starter/generator engines use a different bearing plate than do the
starter/alternater engines.

4. With a torch, welder, a BFH, and a lot of hair pulling and cussing, you
just might make it work.

(#4 comes from personal experiences!!)

Happy Cubbing!!
FFGino.

Thanks, but I do not want to alter the 169 in anyway shape or form. I am a collector of the cubs and want to put it back in its original condition, rather than modify it or do things differently (ie. put an engine in from a 1650). I just saw some wheel horse 16hp engines for sale and thought they were the same, but I was mistaken. Thank you though for your advice.

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[JLM78]

just keep your eyes out your will fine one