First Cub Cadets - Page 2

Methos · #11 08-06-2012, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Bear Chase Me!!

I haven't checked the timing yet seeing as how I haven't got it running yet. Do you guys think it could still be the coil or condenser even though it is getting spark? I also noticed something about the Kohler K301 that might be another problem. I haven't done a real compression test on it yet but I think it may need a rebuild. When turning the flywheel over by hand there is almost no resistance from inside the engine leading me to believe the rings are worn out. Even if the rings are worn to nothing that wouldn't affect it starting or not. It's not a diesel engine that requires a certain compression to fire. Any thoughts on both problems I mentioned?

The engine has a ACR which allows the ngine to turn over easier for starting. Once started the ACR will give the engine more compression. (basic breakdown on how the ACR works) If the timing is off it won't fire. With getting good and bad spark you have to go thru the steps and trace the problem down.

Have you cleaned the points? If they sit awhile they may need to be cleaned.

zippy1 · #12 08-06-2012, 11:38 AM

Good to see that bug is still out flying around

You will enjoy this addiction, it's not cheap, but it will become a labor of love. And you have found the best website on the net, this group will do their very best to help you through anything you may need help with, they know their stuff.
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red56turbo · #13 08-06-2012, 11:59 AM

Congrats on the new cub acquisitions!! They look like great starting points. Thanks for sharing the pics.

gardenpest · #14 08-06-2012, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Bear Chase Me!!

I haven't checked the timing yet seeing as how I haven't got it running yet. Do you guys think it could still be the coil or condenser even though it is getting spark? I also noticed something about the Kohler K301 that might be another problem. I haven't done a real compression test on it yet but I think it may need a rebuild. When turning the flywheel over by hand there is almost no resistance from inside the engine leading me to believe the rings are worn out. Even if the rings are worn to nothing that wouldn't affect it starting or not. It's not a diesel engine that requires a certain compression to fire. Any thoughts on both problems I mentioned?

Maybe a valve stuck open .They spin freely when that happens.

Big Bear Chase Me!! · #15 08-06-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSaturnV

That is cool your pop had an IH Dealership. Do you have any old memorabilia of his you could display along with your tractors? Old brochures, signage, keychains, etc really add some vintage coolness to these old iron mules.

I wish I had more IH memorabilia but my dad died last year and my mother has those sort of things. My dad was partial owners with my grandfather way back in the day and most of the IH stuff was sold with the company when my grandfather died. Now my father is dead and there is not much of this history to show of in my family except for a few old pictures my mother has.

Big Bear Chase Me!! · #16 08-06-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Methos

The engine has a ACR which allows the ngine to turn over easier for starting. Once started the ACR will give the engine more compression. (basic breakdown on how the ACR works) If the timing is off it won't fire. With getting good and bad spark you have to go thru the steps and trace the problem down.

Have you cleaned the points? If they sit awhile they may need to be cleaned.

I think I mentioned cleaning the points in my original post? Anyway, does anyone know if the coil and condeser on the K301 can be substituted with any other coils from other vehicles such as cars or trucks? I'm just hoping to get this running soon by whatever means necessary and I'm not concerned with keeping it original since it's going to be a worker and not a looker. That plus if I order the parts I'm going to have to wait longer than I'd like.
If anyone has details on setting the timing on this engine that they can tell me off the top of their head I'd appreciate it. I don't much like downloading instruction manuals online because you never know what else you could be doing to your computer by downloading these.

Methos · #17 08-06-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Bear Chase Me!!

I think I mentioned cleaning the points in my original post? Anyway, does anyone know if the coil and condeser on the K301 can be substituted with any other coils from other vehicles such as cars or trucks? I'm just hoping to get this running soon by whatever means necessary and I'm not concerned with keeping it original since it's going to be a worker and not a looker. That plus if I order the parts I'm going to have to wait longer than I'd like.
If anyone has details on setting the timing on this engine that they can tell me off the top of their head I'd appreciate it. I don't much like downloading instruction manuals online because you never know what else you could be doing to your computer by downloading these.

Umm I think you did. OPPS!

If you have a timing light you can use that or Matt's guide.

Here's Matt G's guide from the tech section of the site.
http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=4405

jbrewer · #18 08-06-2012, 05:09 PM

You did very well!

Now, more pix of the O please! :-)

John

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Big Bear Chase Me!! · #19 08-10-2012, 11:52 AM

I bought a new spark plug. I already checked the points and sanded the contacts. After cleaning the carb I will go ahead and follow the steps written in Matt G's guide to see if the timing is close. If all of those things check out ok, does anyone know if the condenser and coil on the K301 engine can be substituted with any condenser and coil from another motorized vehicle whether it's a garden tractor, car, truck, boat, etc.? Those parts look similar to any other run-of-the-mill setup on numerous vehicles I've seen and there is no Cub Cadet dealer close to where I live but there are numerous junkyards with car parts that could possibly fit my engine. Anyone have feedback about this? Also, if my "Original" Cub still has a good functioning condenser and coil, would these parts for the K161 work on the K301?

cadzag72 · #20 08-10-2012, 08:18 PM

You should be fine with an older-style automotive coil. I have a cub 72 that my father gave me that has a K301 installed in it, and I believe it has a Mopar performance coil. the only trouble I've run into is that it's a tight fit in the coil mountin bracket. It's worked great for over 30 years, so I imagine you won't run into any problems. good luck!

Ian