Dave's 1650 Project

[_DX3_]

If you have the aluminum pan, I highly suggest getting a good cast iron unit for that 1650. Won't have to worry about stipped bolts again. I bought one for my 128. Or you can use heli coil inserts and have good fresh threads again.

[CC1650Dave]

It is aluminum DX3. And I was just thinking about looking into having the hole heli-arc'd so I could re-drill and tap it.

What's the deal on the inserts you speak of?

I guess if I have to get a new one, I'll look for cast iron. But I'd like to see if I can get this one fixed up.

[Matt G.]

Dave-

Heli-coil

I'm also gonna disagree with Bill...if you have more time than money like I do, you can save a pretty messed-up oil pan. Last year I was putting a K321 into a 682 for my loader tractor, and two holes were stripped and the mounting bosses severely worn. I drilled the holes all the way through with the tap drill for the 3/8" bolts, and then a friend of my dad's TIG-welded the bosses back up, and then I milled the bosses flat, re-drilled the holes through from the back, retapped them, made short threaded plugs on the lathe to seal the bottoms of the holes, then welded those in and milled them down to the gasket surface. I then sanded the whole gasket surface flat on my cylinder-head-sanding glass sheet. Yeah, it took 4-5 hours of work, but it didn't cost me a penny, and I would have had to wait 3-4+ days to buy a CI pan from somebody and wait from shipping, plus pay $25+ and probably at least $10 shipping. That money I saved went into other parts I needed.

[Matt G.]

I didn't say that was always going to be the case...I use what resources I have to my advantage.

[Matt G.]

I'm not disagreeing with you, and who said this was about me? (Besides you, apparently...)

All I'm trying to do is show that it's fixable, and doesn't need to hit the scrap pile if it takes 'more than 10 minutes to fix'. Dave seems to be a smart guy and can decide for himself what option will work best for him. There's no need for you to throw me to the coals for sharing my own opinions/experience/etc, which may be helpful if he happens to have the connection but didn't think to exploit it in this situation. I thought the purpose of this forum was to share opinions and ideas with others. This thread has had nearly 5300 views, so actually, it's not just about Dave...somebody else will probably find some information here and use it to their advantage. I'm sure there's a lot of things I have put both on my website and on the forum that require tools and skills some people don't have, but I put them up anyway because they might help someone someday.

This seems to be a recurring theme here...every time I disagree with you you've gotta sit here and argue about it. I will take my knowledge elsewhere if I have to deal with this crap every time I don't share your opinion. This is my last post on this subject in this thread.

[CC1650Dave]

Alright fellas - both of you brought very valuable info to the topic at hand. No need to make it personal.

Here's how it went for me: I read Bill's post and thought "OK, I'll throw this aluminum pan out if I can find a good deal on a cast iron one."

Then I read Matt's post, and thought "hey, maybe with a little work this is worth saving." But as I continued to read, I thought about what I had access to, and could see the costs mounting. It didn't take long before I realized that it would probably be more expensive to fix this aluminum one than to buy a cast iron pan - although, I will talk to the welder guy I'm working with to get his opinion. He might say "no problem."

So you've both contributed to my knowledge (and many others who will read this,) my options were clear, and it was up to me to decide my time, resources and cost. I have the info to make those decisions.

That's why this is a great forum. So both, keep up the good work! We all have different perspectives on how to tackle a problem.

[darkminion_17]

Well said CC1650Dave

[aagitch]

Pics are looking good Dave. This is my favorite forum because of all the great threads full of knowledge. I agree both Bill and Matt give out a lot of good advice.

[rfrank]

My aluminum pan was good I thought? until I bolted it up and it stripped so Im like oh fudgsickle, what can I do thats cheap and easy. I figured why not go one size bigger on the bolt. What can I lose, its no good the way it is now. So I tapped it one size bigger and so far its doing great. the only problem I had was I didnthave a bottom tap that size so I had to spend the 6.00 to get one. Of course a week after I buy one my brother gives me a whole box of misc taps and theres the bottom taps I needed. LOL

[CC1650Dave]

Take a look at my brake pedal assembly and tell me if it's as it should be. I'm wondering if it's supposed to angle this far away from the frame, or if mine's been bent.

I have to heat up that solid round footrest bar and bend it back to level (from the forklift damage) and will do this while I'm at it, if in fact it's bent.

It just looks to me like it's a bit far out. See how that parking brake locker sits out toward the end of its bracket?






You can tell that the pedal is not perpendicular to the frame as well. I think it's bent.