Cub Winter Project Questions

nycub122 · #1 12-09-2010, 10:08 AM

I'm new to this forum, but not new to Cub Cadets. I'm thinking of a winter project and have some questions and am open to advise/suggestions from others.

1) What is the largest Kohler engine that will fit a wide frame?
2) Has anyone thought of a 4 wheel drive setup on a wide frame? How could this be done?

Any thoughts would be appreciated

Thanks
Grover lehman

gcbailey · #2 12-09-2010, 10:56 AM

you should be able to put any Kohler Command in one. If I'm not mistaken the WF are the same width as current offered CCs.

Matt G. · #3 12-09-2010, 11:08 AM

I'm going to assume you are talking about a 1x8/9 or QL tractor. If so, the largest engine you can fit without a bunch of modifications would be the 16 hp K341. A Command twin (or single) will not fit without frame modifications. The starter on the twin cylinder Commands is in the way of the frame.

4-wheel drive as in an articulated tractor with 2 transaxles, or a normal tractor with front wheel assist? The former has been done many times by many different people; the latter, I have only seen two examples of. Both were well done and also very well thought out. It would require the addition of a tranfser case to the transaxle and a LOT of research and calculations to get the front wheel speed correct so nothing breaks. This is probably why few have done it. It is not a simple project.

Methos · #4 12-09-2010, 03:57 PM

Grover

Have you checked out this thread yet?

http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=7619

MikeC · #5 12-11-2010, 06:16 PM

Welcome nycub122
Hey there Grover, Sounds like an ambitious winter project. Heck, I'd settle to just get one of my Cubs running. All of them need the same part- TIME.
If you don't mind me asking, what part of NY are you from? Me, I'm from the southeastern portion, Orange County, about 30 miles west of the US Military Academy at West Point.
MikeC

nycub122 · #6 12-12-2010, 06:34 AM

MikeC:
Located between Ithaca and Binghamton.
Just thinking of a project at this point. After extensive browsing the various posts in this forum, I'm not sure what I want to do. Haven't selected a machine to work on.
Grover

nycub122 · #7 12-12-2010, 07:32 AM

Matt G:
Thanks for the reply.

I've looked at your page and see that you have done some VERY nice projects, plus you seem to have an answer for most members questions.

I've have done some extensive browsing on this forum to get some ideas. The winter project I have in mind is in the formative stages at this point, haven't selected a machine yet, but I kind of know what I want. So, here is a partial wish list:

1) Probably a 1x8 machine (I like the appearance of that model)
2) Would like to fit a Kohler K341 AQS into the frame (K341 AQS use the geared starter vs the S/G - correct?)
3) Would like a gear drive CI rear with creeper and internal brakes
4) Would like a front axle with 1" spindles
5) Hydraulic set-up and 3 point hitch

What are your thoughts?
Grover

ihnick · #8 12-12-2010, 09:39 AM

I plan on doing the same with my 128 this summer. My 128 already has a creeper and 3pt. I'll add factory head lights, a k321 14hp to it with a stack. Then would like to get to put a factory hydraulic set up out of like a 149 in it and run it off a power steering pump. But as off now I just got to get a engine in it

Matt G. · #9 12-12-2010, 09:40 AM

That wouldn't be too hard to do. Start with a 108 or 128. The K341 will fit. The later QL and 82 series tractors on up had the 1" spindles, so it'll be easy to find those. The 1x8s had external brake rears, but you can change that. Or keep the external brakes and separate them from the clutch pedal. Hydraulics could be added with a valve and cylinder from a hydro QL, and then a power steering pump used to run them. One thing I have seen done is to keep the mechanical PTO with the AQS engine, and use the starter/generator basket pulley to drive the PS pump.

I probably would have built something similar had I not gotten into the 82 series tractors.

Forgot to mention...if you don't need the creeper for anything (throwing snow or tilling) I would leave it out, particularly if you plan on pulling a plow. You will also need a stronger-than-stock clutch spring because of the K341, and that stronger spring will be hard on the bearing in the creeper.

nycub122 · #10 12-13-2010, 06:38 AM

Matt G;
Again, thanks for the reply.

All good suggestions. I plan on using this tractor for snow plowing, tilling and mowing. My current tractor,a 1965 Cub 122 has a 42" deck (used to cut 6+ acres), and I find that I sometimes need to kick down to 3 low when in heavy, tall grass. So, I'd like to use a creeper in the project tractor. I plan on using a stronger clutch set-up. How much extra strees will this be on the creeper bearing?

What is the largest mower deck I can use with the project tractor?

Is there any reason that I couldn't use larger wheels (maybe 10") on the front axle, and 13" on the rear? I'm thinking that this would increase ground clearance, yet I haven't seen anyone do this. Why?

Grover