What model is this?

inspectorudy · #1 10-08-2014, 02:28 PM

I ran across this on CL and wondered what it was. It has a 16 hp Vanguard and a 54 inch deck. It is shaft drive with a hydro tranny. Any history of this model? It looks like all metal construction but not sure.

gt383mag · #2 10-08-2014, 02:50 PM

looks an awfull lot like this without the weird paint job ... deck however looks like a 48 not 54 dont appear to be sticking out the side anymore than mine. this one is a 2186 16 hp kohler v twin shaft drive foot controlled hydro just picked it up. seems like it might make a ok lawnmower pulles a trailer full of wood around the yard ok too

alsparl · #3 10-08-2014, 03:07 PM

a 2160 or 2185 ?? Probably the best way to find which era would be see if you can locate and read the Kohler engine tag and provide all the numbers back on here.

Sam Mac · #4 10-08-2014, 05:24 PM

If it has a 16HP Vanguard its a 2160 or a 2165. If you have a pic of the right hand side I can tell you for sure.

inspectorudy · #5 10-08-2014, 05:47 PM

I believe it is a 2165 because it has a Vanguard 16 hp engine. The deck sizes are usually wrong on CL because people measure the total width. My guess is that it is a 48 inch deck. I noticed on ebay that there are no used parts for the 2165-85. Does that seem normal? Also, looking around on the web I noticed that the 2160 which has a different tranny than the 65 is prone to problems. Any info on this? One guy said that if there was a lever on the right fender it was a 2160 but then another said that they came out with a lever on the right fender that looked like it was the gear selector but wasn't. It sounds like CC attempt to get on the foot control bandwagon but did it in a way that leaves a lot to be desired. Apparently it uses two clutches, one for F and one for R, but here is the clincher you set the hydro drive selector at the speed you want and then use the foot pedal to maintain that speed. If you set it to max speed and then use the foot pedal to control speed it rides the clutch all of the time thus burning them out pretty fast. From what I have read the clutch rebuilds are not cheap and no one will work on the trannys. I'm interested in this one and would appreciate any info from current owners. Also is the headlight assembly available from any source?

Sam Mac · #6 10-08-2014, 07:01 PM

2160 AGS. Only tractors that have the 1-6 speed lever on the right side. Don't waste your time unless you want the engine. 2160's are at the top of my list for engine donors.

Oak · #7 10-08-2014, 07:09 PM

That's the auto gear system that people used like a foot controlled hydro and burned them up. That one has been on there for a few weeks and he should come off the price, which would make it a pretty fair organ donor. Looks like the head light assembly is the same as a 3K machine but I didn't check the part numbers. Let me know if you go look at it Rudy, I think that one is just up the road.

rustyoldjunk · #8 10-09-2014, 01:38 AM

Someone told me that you could shim the clutch in those AGS instead of replacing the clutch the first time around. I have also been told that people used the system completely wrong and wore the clutches in them.

CADplans · #9 10-09-2014, 02:28 AM

Gravely uses the twin clutch system, but, usually after one use, it is intuitive that you lock the clutch "in",,,,

If it were not like the Gravely, I would fear the clutch system if multiple people were to use the machine,,,,

Sam Mac · #10 10-09-2014, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by rustyoldjunk

Someone told me that you could shim the clutch in those AGS instead of replacing the clutch the first time around. I have also been told that people used the system completely wrong and wore the clutches in them.

If I recall correctly the early 2160's can be shimmed. There was a write up on the procedure on MTF. The early 2160's have a bolt on cover over on of the bearings as you can see in these 2 pics. Easy way to test them is to put it in high gear and see if it slips when going up a hill. Stop in the middle and try to take off again. If it slips it's toast.