1650 pto trouble shooting

[CHESTERSCUBSC]

I am new to the forum and have a couple questions about a 1650 that I have torn down. I have 2 questions one on the PTO the another on the Steering.

PTO

When I bought the tractor the PTO would not engage. I have the motor out is there a test that I can do to see if it works and associated trouble shooting if test is not good?

Steering

While I have this unit torn down I plan on changing out the Tie Rod Ends but how do I tell if the steering box needs any work?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions or input!

Ron

[sawdustdad]

Just been through this myself. You can apply power to the PTO--ground the block and apply +12V to the PTO lead wire. You should hear a click as the clutch engages.

The way to tell if the steering gear needs work is to turn the steering wheel and observe motion of the steering gear cam cover. If it doesn't move with a small motion of the wheel, there is play in the gear. Adjust the cam follower stud to take up the slack. You might want to remove the cover and inspect the follower stud as they wear and make adjustment difficult. You can regrind or replace the stud, reinstall and adjust. I've torn down several of these and that is all that really needed work. The bearings don't seem to wear out. In most cases you will have additional steering "slop" in the axle support and in the tie rod ends. fixing everything will really make a big difference in tractor operation.

[CHESTERSCUBSC]

I am new to this, Is the stud the part that has the double nuts on it?

Ron

[sawdustdad]

Originally Posted by CHESTERSCUBSC

I am new to this, Is the stud the part that has the double nuts on it?

Ron

The cam follower stud is on the moveable face of the gear box, it has a slot in the end of it and a jam nut around it. Loosen the jamb nut, use a flat blade screwdriver to drive the stud in until it bottoms out, then back it out a 1/4 turn. Try the steering. See if it binds. Adjust the stud so that there is minimum play between the stud and the worm gear (which is what you are tightening it against inside) yet it doesn't bind throughout the turning motion. You need to find a "happy medium" because it is not a real precision fit. then tighten the jam nut holding the stud with a screwdriver so it doesn't move.

If you want to inspect (and possibly regrind/replace) the follower stud, you have to remove the gear box cover. To do that you remove the two large jamb nuts on the 5/8 inch shaft, then pull the cover off. then you can remove the follower stud from the inside. If you do that, replace the cover seal and regrease the gearbox as you reassemble it.

[CHESTERSCUBSC]

Thanks, Will give it a try and see what slop I can take up.

Ron

[ClickClickBoom]

Originally Posted by CHESTERSCUBSC

Thanks, Will give it a try and see what slop I can take up.

Ron

since you've got the motor out, pull the steering shaft, and just rebuild it. It's only a few extra hours work,and you won't have to worry about it in the future.

[bkw3614]

I agree with ClickClickBoom. As long as it is easy to get out, rebuild the steering column. The bearings on each end of the worm may be worn, especially if the steering box doesn't have much grease in it. I would replace the cam follower, worm bearings and the grease seal. There is also a Super Steering kit sold by Kirk Engines, Inc. http://www.kirkengines.com/index.php...teerUpgradeKit. This improvement helps the steering box work a little smoother and is worth the investment.

It took me a couple of hours to rebuild the steering box and a few uses to get it adjusted to my liking. Here are the instructions. http://www.ihcubcadet.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.pl You will be happy that you took the time to do this project.

While you are at it, take off the front axle and tighten the axle carrier to lessen the side-to side axle play, and replace the pivet pin.

[CHESTERSCUBSC]

Thanks for the input on the steering upgrade and link to the rebuild instructions.
Will look into doing both of those while I have the unit torn down.

I had not signed up for the other forum so I went ahead and did that since it would not allow me access to the restoration forum. Nice to have multiple sources for all this great information.

Thanks again

Ron

[CHESTERSCUBSC]

BKW3614


Where are the instructions located on the link you provided? It just takes me to the Forum main page. Do I have to do a search or are they located under a sub forum?