1650 not charging
 

I just bought this old girl and the owner said its charging but I can tell it aint. Just for the fact when you turn the lights on they are very very dim even when its running. He by passed the voltage regulator. I found the wires but is the one for the batter suppose to be hot at all time or only when its on? I need a little help with it. Its does have the 16hp kohler still

Did you look here?? ......... V/R

well i tried it and i cant get anything out of the stator...all i know is tht the guy i got it from had it rigged to charge and it didnt charge. the more u turn on the more it pulled down the battery...but i tried hooking it up like it shows on the diagrahm and it only makes the wires get hot.

It sounds like you will need a new stator and then to repair the wiring so that is it able to be connected correctly.

Here is a list of links for your quiet line that may help you out with many of the issues that come up with them:


Quiet Line Links:


Download and print all the manuals;

Carb Rebuilding: http://mgonitzke.net16.net/tools/carb_rebuild.pdf

ISO mount and snubber: http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7

Hydro Filters: http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12

Ignition Circuit: http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/showthread.php?t=27

Ignition Coil: http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11

Spark Plug Chart: Use Autolite: http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=4638

Static Timing for new points: http://mgonitzke.net16.net/tools/static_timing.pdf

Chassis Service Manual: http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=4644

Kohler Service Manual: http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=4646

1650 Operators Manual: http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=4670

PTO adjustment: http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/showthread.php?t=30

Wiring Diagrams: http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/showthread.php?t=22

Cradle Mod: http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=4630

for the uneducated here...what exactly is a stator and why is it needed? Do they fail often? Is there a similar part on an auto engine? On a Kohler 3xx, where is it and how big a job is it to replace it?

I'm not being a smart-a**...I really want to know! When I read the OP, I would have suspected the VR but I really don't know anything about a stator. Is it possible that jumpering around a bad VR would kill a stator or will a bad stator kill a VR?

It is the "Charging Coil" used to recharge the battery.

Rarely

YUP...it is called an alternator

It is located under the Flywheel. Yes, it is a bit of a chore to get at it.

NO...on the jumpering around the V/R (on the 1650). I suppose a bad stator could fry a V/R.

thanks Roland...the answer hit me after I typed it (the automobile alternator is always spinning isn't it!) what many books refer to as the "starter/alternator" on a small engine is actually 2 separate components and that big piece hanging off the side is only a starter. back to the original post...if the leads to the vr are still there, I would get the VOM out and make sure there is no voltage (can that be done with just the bare leads or do they need to be connected)? According to your diagram, if each lead coming from the stator produces 14V AC (other probe on the VOM touched to a suitable ground), can he rule out the stator and save himself some pain?

Cub Cadets have a Starter / Generator, not a Starter / Alternator.

A generator produces a DC Voltage. A alternator produces a AC Voltage.


From the previous link. there is two (2) tests to perform. One is a static test where one measures resistance on the stator coil. The second is a "performance test" where one measures the voltages while the engine is running at WOT.

Voltage from the stator is around 30VAC. Voltage from the center tap of the V/R to chassis ground is 13.7VDC.

well guys ive tried everything to fix it. took a harness off of a 1200 cub tht had a bad motor and put it on my 1650 then got a new v/r and it fired it *bummer* but i think the stator is bad cuz it wont ohm out at all running but off it ohms out.

but id like to thank you DX3 and R Bedell for the info and advice. i hope to find a stator or get it fixed and get it back out again. didnt like my 1650 at first but now i realize how much power it really has running poorly prolly have more running and charging right

If the engine is running you can not make a ohm measurement of the stator you will damage your meter.

To check it while the engine is running you have to set your meter to AC with an AC voltage range > 35V. With the engine at WOT you will read an AC voltage around 30 volts.