1450 hydraulics...loader questions
 

I just picked up another ..this time it is a 1450 with many years of lawn seeding and fertilizing experience...Don't even ask how bad the steering gear is.. All that stuff spraying underneath the tractor did a job on paint and steel. Anyway, as it is a great runner (probably a new engine or two in its time) it is going to be the new fun puller tractor. If I can figure out the the hydraulic system on it it may even get a loader..

It has a lift valve mounted on the steering column , attached to what looks like the factory lever. They had it plumbed to two hydraulic hoses that went to the hitch area, to run their equipment somehow. Now with nothing there if you move the lever it is deadheading and loads everythng down, when mover either forward or back. There were a bunch of other hoses too but I found out they were for the liquid fertilizer nozzles mounted right under the footboards..

Will this valve work for a loader? will the hydro pump give enough pressure and volume to run a loader well? or should I look for a pump to run off the crank snout? And will I need a dual hydraulic valve as well for the loader to have a power tilt bucket? I would like power up and down, so I can back drag with some downpressure.

I am assuming this is a ported hydro.. After I get the tunnel cover off I should be able to see what the difference is between a ported unit and a standard one, right?

Thanks!

You will need a seprate pump to run a loader. The hydraulics on a Cub doesn't have enough pressure to operate a loader. A dual spool valve is needed to run a loader with hydraulic cylinders on the bucket.

One of these days I want to build a Cub with a loader on it. I'm looking to use a wide frame hydro Cub. The factory hydraulics (ported pump-valve and hoses) will be remove and the hydro pump will be replace with a non ported pump.

This may be a dumb question :Duh: but why would you change to a non-ported pump? Wouldn't it be handy if you wanted to have a rear lift on it?:Huh:

There isn't much point to having a rear lift on a loader in my opinion. That area is going to be covered with counterweight anyway. I'd just have a second tractor with a rear lift on it if I needed to be using rear attachments at the same time.

Great question!!!
To me the dumb question(s) are the ones not ask. Keep asking questions...it's a good way to learn.

Matt answered the question for the most part. A ported hydro pump are worth more than a non ported pump. I think a non ported pump will put more power to the ground which comes in handy when filling the loader bucket. If I wanted to keep the rear lift I will use the hydraulic pump for the loader on the rear lift.

Matt,my 149 with a Johnson loader is one of the best plow tractors I have ever run.......the extra weight seemed to make it follow the furrow very well.
There may be other reasons a person would want to use a 3 pt on a tractor with a loader.....tiller is the other I can thnk of.

Well, most of us have more than one of these things and prefer something less cumbersome for rear-mounted attachments. Or at least mine is too cumbersome for me to want to use other attachments on it...:)

Truckntran,

Are you interested in selling the control valve you have? Sounds like it is a dual spool valve. I'll be looking for one for my 1650. I'd like to have rear ports.

As for the loader part, PF Engineering (pfengineering.com) sells plans for a DIY loader and backhoe for garden tractors. They were actually designed on a Cub. Their site indicates the Cub hydro does, in fact, supply sufficient pressure to run the loader, however, some other posters, who seem knowledgeable, have indicated they don't supply sufficient volume. So an auxiliary hydraulic pump will be needed.

If you're interested in selling that controller valve, shoot me an email. tthenrie@yahoo.com.

Tony

P.S. I just read your post again. I thought you said the valve had extra hoses going back to the rear. I guess it's just a single-spool control valve. Oh well.

I think it is the stock valve for a 1450, to control the one cylinder. THey had hoses going everywhere off it.....I have no idea what they eventually did work with the lever, but the lift mechanism is all gone including the cyl.

I am planning on parting the tractor out to build a nice one using the 1250 frame I have...I haven't compared frames completely yet but I bet it will work. I will need to find a mate for the lift cyl, or else use the manual lift and use the hyd's for a plow turn cyl.