Paint for "newer" Cubs
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Hi all. I'm finding it a little difficult to find community experience painting later model Cubs. Plenty of discussion about the classic IH models, I've read a lot of that and learned a lot from it too. I'd love to have me a classic IH Cub, but the 2166 is what I got for now.
TL/DR: I'd like to get specific paint brand/color suggestions from anyone who has painted their early-2000 era Cub. Details for the masochists out there, I'm just going to throw my thoughts out there for any response... I found the thread that has the Cub-branded paint codes including later models. That's a start, but only gives me the Cub branded paint. I have some reservations about using that.
I am leaning towards spraying with the oft-mentioned purple HVLP Hazard Fraught gun. Still open to rattle-cans, but it just seems that the better paints come in quarts and gallons. I'd be convinced if I saw a spray can job looking good after a couple years. The priority is a good looking and durable finish with pretty close color match. We're not talking about a flawless automotive finish here, or paint that needs to hold up on a bulldozer. It is after all, a lawn tractor. Saw lots of mentions on multiple forums about Valspar Farm and Implement paint. They don't seem to be making that product anymore. Too bad, that sounded like a good option. Plenty of comments of the deragatory variety about Majic paints from Tractor Supply. Saw one solitary post of someone saying it worked well. I'd be skeptical but willing to listen. A number of mentions about Rustoleum Farm and Implement. Still carried by Tractor Supply, which is convenient. Only Cat and JD yellows available (EDIT: New Holland Yellow and Transport Yellow also available), no off-whites or almonds in Rustoleum whatsoever. Can't find information about it on the Rustoleum website, maybe it's on its way out too? EDIT: It's here. Little to no mention of Krylon Farm and Implement, which is well represented on their website, and a number of color options. International Harvester White is available, as well as 5 yellow options including JD, New Holland, old and new Cat, and School Bus. Both the School Bus and IH White were available at the first O'Reilly Auto Parts store I checked. This Amazon page has a review with a user photo. Still researching as I'm writing, this is looking like a good option. A few Amazon reviews mention premature fading, but these reviewers never mention their prep or painting process, whether they used hardener, or what the exposure conditions are. I suppose after all, it's a $16/quart paint. There's almost no info at all (that I found) regarding putting anything more than a rattle can job on a later model Cub. Even on YouTube or other forums. Hopefully we can change that. :) Thoughts? Check out the attached photo for color comparison below. Neither tractor is mine, just images grabbed from the internet. Left is obviously a 2166 and the right is an Amazon user that posted their spray can job using Krylon Farm and Implement School Bus Yellow. Close enough for me. |
If you cannot get the colour codes for matching the beige/almond and yellow take a piece off the mower and get them colour matched at a paint supplier
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I don't think it is case of color matching, but the price of the paint. After all, Cub Cadet does sell paint for their products.
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https://www.rustoleum.com/product-ca...-and-implement ratio 5-2-.3 (15 ouinces paint, 6 ounces acetone, 1 ounce hardener) |
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My point was the correct colors are available.
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Thanks for all the replies.
It doesn't appear that anyone is or has repainted their later model Cubs; at least with a spray gun. I guess I will be the guinea pig. That's fine, whether it comes out good or bad, both will be good information, right? I'm gonna get some pictures going as I get deeper into the project. It'd be nice to have this documented. Ironman, you're right...I should have just used Google to find the product pages. Like an idiot, I assumed I could find one of their products from their product search page. What was I thinking? Being a web designer myself, I'd expect that as a design requirement. Looks like the SEO team took up the design team's slack though. Sure, just about anything is possible at the paint supplier's counter, and maybe I'll get to that point. I wouldn't be surprised to find prices at the counter where it would just be simpler to order the Cub branded paint. Feedback on that welcome, I haven't yet called the paint counter to see what their budget, durable finish options are. Right now, I'm between the Krylon and Rustoleum (both "Farm and Implement"), but leaning towards Krylon. Here's why, open for criticism:
I have the right fender off and stripped to bare metal. I used a stripper disc on a grinder. Worked pretty well, but wore out one disc on one panel. At $10 per disc, I will have to either switch to cheaper Amazon varieties or try something else. Also, couldn't get into the nooks and crannies so ended up buying a $16 wire cup as well. I think I will try chemical stripping on the next panel, save the discs for just the rusty bits. I understand these panels are powder coated, not painted, right? I haven't stripped powder coating before, I assume it's not much different than paint? Another forum post suggested using Jasco Paint and Epoxy Remover. $45/gallon. I think chemical is definitely the way to go when I get to the mower deck. It's either that or a Hazard Fraught sandblaster and rent a gas powered compressor from Home Depot. Even at $45/gallon, the chemical is probably cheaper and easier than renting a compressor and buying blast media. Dilemmas of the day:
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I painted the deck for my 1999 3205. I used PPG products and I'm happy with their stuff.
I used 2-3 coats of 2k primer and then shot the color. Attachment 108072 Attachment 108073 Attachment 108074 When I did my 374 Haban deck a few years later I took it down to bare metal and then used epoxy primer. After that cured I scuffed it with a scotch pad and laid another coat of epoxy down then scuffed and shot the 2k primer. The 2k primer was wet sanded between coats and then the was sprayed with the color. That's how I will probably do all my paint jobs in the future. I also use the high quality $14.99 purple spray gun from Hazard Freight. That sucker works good for the money.......well, good enough.:biggrin2: |
Does anyone have the matching codes for Cub yellow i.e. start with white/tint base and add certain proportions of other pigments to achieve the correct colour , similarly the beige
Just like the spray painters do to match vehicle colours even to the point of matching the fade due to age Oz |
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So the reason for my doubting the longevity of so-called "Farm & Implement" paints: In the first few minutes of poking around on the topics of primers this morning, I happened upon a thread on another forum where there seemed to be at least one very knowledgeable individual providing primer guidance. Great. Later in the thread someone asked about "alkyd oil based enamel primers" sold at Tractor Supply. And then went on to comment about "Tractor Supply enamel top coats" and now I'm really listening. And it doesn't sound good. Rather than repeat it all, check it out - 4th post from the top of the page. At least Rustoleum provides a TDS, which confirms it's an oil modified alkyd enamel. I have not yet been able to find Krylon's TDS on the product in question, only a technical support phone number. Point Rustoleum, but the point may be moot. It's probably safe to assume the Krylon F&I is of the same type; I think it's highly unlikely at the exact same price that it would be something entirely different. I don't have a garage to keep the tractor in, so if the lifespan of "Farm & Implement" paints is in the range of what he's suggesting (as little as 6 months), then it would be a complete waste if I spent hundreds of dollars, a bunch of time and labor for it to look like I never painted it in less than 5 years. Granted, "Paint Guru" is talking about automotive finishes which I did say that wasn't what I was looking for...but I do want the durability/longevity of an automotive finish. I just don't need the finish of a classic or custom automobile (deep color, mirror gloss, etc.), which is what that forum is focused on. It's just a tractor, but I'd say the paint needs to stay in "very nice" condition after 10 years stored outside. I admit it is a bit extreme to veer off the path so quickly and sharply, so if any of you have used the F&I paints and it still looks pretty nice after plenty of years... speak up! :) |
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