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Methos 02-21-2011 04:50 PM

Project rear pto O
 
Well this has been a couple weeks in the making but it's home now so it's time to post pics! I found a pretty good deal on the rear pto now I've got to find the rest of the tractor to build around it. Not sure if you can see from the pics but serial # 2146. The splines on the pto show no signs of wear/use. I'm going to pull the axle tubes and replace the brass bushings and replace the seals then wait until I find the rest of the tractor. Going thru the gears the shift pattern is nice and tight. It's Jude's fault I got this I was having rear pto envy and located this one. Turns out the guy I got it from used to own my replacement loader adn is long time friend of Allen! So pretty small world.

Got a couple of questions...

Anyone happen to know if you have a danco creeper if it slows down the pto when your in low range?:bigthink: Seems like it would but thought I would ask.

Will a snow thrower drive shaft fit the pto shaft? I've got a couple of projects in mind but need to know the size of the pto shaft.:bigthink:

Sminkey 02-21-2011 06:29 PM

Sweet Duke!!
 
Awesome:beerchug: That rearend, not yours, looks mighty fine:bigeyes:. Nice early serial # too! Not sure if snowthrower driveshaft fits but came across this: http://ihccw.com/IMG_8656_11.JPG. Saw that on ihccw.com and it's a REAR PTO INTERMEDIATE SHAFT SPLINE COUPLING ASSEMBLY!! I'm thinking that would work, man I'm getting hungry for some reason:biggrin2:
Nice score Duke, I'm sure we can find you the rest of the tractor when I come down:High5:

Matt G. 02-21-2011 06:36 PM

Yes, the creeper will slow the PTO...the creeper connects to the input of the trans, so everything is slowed down by it.

The shaft in Sminkey's picture is probably for an SGT with the electric rear PTO...the spline is different. It's possible that the snowthrower joint has the same spline, but unlikely. You may want/need to get a spline adapter to get the size up to a 1 3/8" - 6 spline or something more common like that.

Sminkey 02-21-2011 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt G. (Post 59522)
Yes, the creeper will slow the PTO...the creeper connects to the input of the trans, so everything is slowed down by it.

The shaft in Sminkey's picture is probably for an SGT with the electric rear PTO...the spline is different. It's possible that the snowthrower joint has the same spline, but unlikely. You may want/need to get a spline adapter to get the size up to a 1 3/8" - 6 spline or something more common like that.

ya you're right Matt, that shaft has pretty fine splines. Wouldn't work, a spline adapter sounds like a good idea!!

Methos 02-21-2011 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sminkey (Post 59520)
Awesome:beerchug: That rearend, not yours, looks mighty fine:bigeyes:. Nice early serial # too! Not sure if snowthrower driveshaft fits but came across this: http://ihccw.com/IMG_8656_11.JPG. Saw that on ihccw.com and it's a REAR PTO INTERMEDIATE SHAFT SPLINE COUPLING ASSEMBLY!! I'm thinking that would work, man I'm getting hungry for some reason:biggrin2:
Nice score Duke, I'm sure we can find you the rest of the tractor when I come down:High5:

:OMG: to the first part!

I'm sure we'll stumble opon something when you come down.

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Originally Posted by Matt G. (Post 59522)
Yes, the creeper will slow the PTO...the creeper connects to the input of the trans, so everything is slowed down by it.

The shaft in Sminkey's picture is probably for an SGT with the electric rear PTO...the spline is different. It's possible that the snowthrower joint has the same spline, but unlikely. You may want/need to get a spline adapter to get the size up to a 1 3/8" - 6 spline or something more common like that.

Thanks Matt that was my thoughts as well on creeper slowing the pto down. It just kinda made sense but when I asked people they didn't think it would for some reason.

I'll check around for a spline adaptor.

Thanks for the help!

nickvanorman 02-21-2011 07:21 PM

Hey Duke. you may want to check out a PTO knuckle and shaft from a Bolens tube frame to run their attachments....the splines look awfully similar to that of your cub...who knows...maybe youll get lucky with that! good find on the very low SN original...(part of an original) haha

Methos 02-21-2011 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nickvanorman (Post 59530)
Hey Duke. you may want to check out a PTO knuckle and shaft from a Bolens tube frame to run their attachments....the splines look awfully similar to that of your cub...who knows...maybe youll get lucky with that! good find on the very low SN original...(part of an original) haha

Thanks Nick I've got a friend with some bolens I'll check with him. The low serial number plus the pto made me buy it and build a tractor around it. Even if I tried to talk my self out of it several times but hey it's all Jude's fualt!:ROTF2:

There is no rush on this project just going to see how the parts fall in line for me and see where it goes from there. Once I rebuild the rear end I'll put it on the shelf and wait on the rest. Unless Jude makes me speed the project up!:OhOh:

Tractor2nv 02-21-2011 07:58 PM

Original w/rear PTO
 
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Duke,this is all I have,just missing the K-161...? Grille screen remains but the logo and hood ornament is going to Germany...$100?

Methos 02-21-2011 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tractor2nv (Post 59540)
Duke,this is all I have,just missing the K-161...? Grille screen remains but the logo and hood ornament is going to Germany...$100?

Oh my! I'll send you a pm once the kids are asleep.:biggrin2:

johncub7172 02-21-2011 08:05 PM

Nice score Methos! It may not be TOO hard to find the rest of the tractor,...since imo, you have the coolest, most important part already. I think you would be legal to run a k301 matched up to that bad boy, making the rest of the tractor come at a better price. Just something to think about, having to run things off the rear pto. with some AUTHORITY! But hey, I'am glad you have shared and are willing to show it off at some point.

Sminkey 02-21-2011 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tractor2nv (Post 59540)
Duke,this is all I have,just missing the K-161...? Grille screen remains but the logo and hood ornament is going to Germany...$100?

Dang!! that's a pretty good deal there:beerchug: Nice work on the rear Grote too Kevin!

juniors1282 02-21-2011 08:47 PM

Looks good Duke. I don't remember you telling me that it had such a low number, That's awsome. :beerchug:

MrGitrdone41 02-21-2011 09:08 PM

Great find Duke!You'll find a O to put it in.

william1041200 02-21-2011 09:42 PM

Luckyyyyyy! It looks like things are falling in line for you duke! Congratulations! :beerchug:

ihnick 02-21-2011 11:26 PM

the guy that hosts the montrose mn plowdays took a parts haban sickle mower and built it to run off the rear pto of a 122. it looked great and better then a factory would of made it. i had pictures on my blackberry but thats broken now....

ACecil 02-21-2011 11:36 PM

The tranny looks great, Duke! You'll have the rest of the tractor, in no time! :beerchug:

Methos 02-21-2011 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by juniors1282 (Post 59559)
Looks good Duke. I don't remember you telling me that it had such a low number, That's awsome. :beerchug:

Thanks Eric. I thought I told you how low it was but opps maybe I didn't.

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Originally Posted by MrGitrdone41 (Post 59565)
Great find Duke!You'll find a O to put it in.

I think I found one!

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Originally Posted by william1041200 (Post 59572)
Luckyyyyyy! It looks like things are falling in line for you duke! Congratulations! :beerchug:

William if you only knew what all is going on all I can say if stay tuned for updates over the next couple of weeks.

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Originally Posted by ihnick (Post 59596)
the guy that hosts the montrose mn plowdays took a parts haban sickle mower and built it to run off the rear pto of a 122. it looked great and better then a factory would of made it. i had pictures on my blackberry but thats broken now....

I think I remember seeing that before. It was a pretty cool set up too.

Tractor2nv 02-22-2011 10:39 PM

Original w/rear PTO
 
4 Attachment(s)
Duke,tore down the belt pulley to make sure no internal damage or excessive wear.Local Farmall Nut had a NOS seal/casing/gasket and the big O ring seal too...just to make sure no nose bleeds. Got it all back together tonite and will give it a good bath in a day or so. Sure would look good behind that rear end?

Sminkey 02-22-2011 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tractor2nv (Post 59715)
Duke,tore down the belt pulley to make sure no internal damage or excessive wear.Local Farmall Nut had a NOS seal/casing/gasket and the big O ring seal too...just to make sure no nose bleeds. Got it all back together tonite and will give it a good bath in a day or so. Sure would look good behind that rear end?

Sure would look nice on Duke's rear:biggrin2: I've got a belt pulley coming with the rear pto O', any more of those NOS seal kits left????

Tractor2nv 02-23-2011 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sminkey (Post 59720)
Sure would look nice on Duke's rear:biggrin2: I've got a belt pulley coming with the rear pto O', any more of those NOS seal kits left????

I'll get back with you on that...fund$ are on the way for the weights Jude!

Methos 02-23-2011 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tractor2nv (Post 59715)
Duke,tore down the belt pulley to make sure no internal damage or excessive wear.Local Farmall Nut had a NOS seal/casing/gasket and the big O ring seal too...just to make sure no nose bleeds. Got it all back together tonite and will give it a good bath in a day or so. Sure would look good behind that rear end?

Oh my!

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Originally Posted by Sminkey (Post 59720)
Sure would look nice on Duke's rear:biggrin2: I've got a belt pulley coming with the rear pto O', any more of those NOS seal kits left????

I hope your talking about the pto!

william1041200 03-03-2011 05:08 PM

got an original in your sights yet?

Methos 03-03-2011 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by william1041200 (Post 60864)
got an original in your sights yet?

Yes I do but no details to share yet.:Shhhh::Slap: There is alot going and I've got a list of things that I need to do and have happen and the SC PD coming up. I'm enjoying having all this cub stuff happening but my time frames have been pushed back and I'm just letting everything sort it self out. Everything is going to happen just in steps. Here's a rough list of things without details of course.:BlahBlah:

Replacement loader, this is the top of the list and everything else happens after it gets picked up.
Jude's collection begins it's processing.
Project new mower begins!
The plow day on 3-19 fits in here someplace
More processing more of Jude's collection.
Project O Tenn trip is being planned now.:biggrin2:
2 day cub invasion begins :Woo:
More processing of Jude's collection!
Jude's vist and loading of his collection goes home
Project O search of parts begins!

And some other things that I really can't say anything about yet. But project Red has failed and has been buried. Cleaning of the garage has begun and I need more room and I've got a idea to help but my better half has concerns about cub over load/too many cubs, so we'll see how this sorts it's self out.

Not sure if this answers your questions or is to much info or lack of info:HeadScratch: but there it is in all it's glory.

ihnick 03-03-2011 07:57 PM

Dang duke. I should have you organize my cub to do list lol

cjrolke 03-03-2011 07:58 PM

i had picked up this cub last year it was "stuck"

turns out the valve was stuck, the head was burnt, starter generator was froze, and missing the tank

http://rolke.dyndns.org/ftp/Cub%20ca...%20(Small).JPG

it had a nice 100 hood on it and rear pto

i got it running and actually cut grass with it

gave $100 for the tractor and $15 or so for the head then a gasket and and tank

(the ags were not on there when i bought it )
i dont know what the draw is to the rear pto because there isnt much to run off of them

Methos 03-03-2011 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ihnick (Post 60892)
Dang duke. I should have you organize my cub to do list lol

HAHA Thanks! I forgot to add the list of things that I'm trying to locate for friends still. Plus I've got a friend that wants me to sell his collection of GT's he only has 250-300 depending on if he's staying in the hobby or getting out of the hobby mood of the day.:biggrin2: Still waiting for the price on that one.

My only tip is figure out what you want the most and make a list from there.:biggrin2:

Methos 03-03-2011 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cjrolke (Post 60893)
i had picked up this cub last year it was "stuck"

turns out the valve was stuck, the head was burnt, starter generator was froze, and missing the tank

http://rolke.dyndns.org/ftp/Cub%20ca...%20(Small).JPG

it had a nice 100 hood on it and rear pto

i got it running and actually cut grass with it

gave $100 for the tractor and $15 or so for the head then a gasket and and tank

(the ags were not on there when i bought it )
i dont know what the draw is to the rear pto because there isnt much to run off of them

Great looking O! Great price on it as well!

I blame Jude for me getting my rear pto.:biggrin2: I want to do some parades and shows with it plus use it to pull my son's caboose around with it as well. I gave Jude a good idea to use his pto but still trying to figure out something cool for me to sure mine for.

william1041200 03-03-2011 08:51 PM

did any other garden tractor ever even offer a rear pto?

ACecil 03-03-2011 11:01 PM

Very nice Original, you got a fantastic deal on it! :ThumbsUp:

vbob01 03-04-2011 07:49 PM

:bigthink:cub collection for sale, that statement alone over flowed my drool bucket. keep us informed on that, please:Bowdown2::Bowdown2::Pray::Pray::Pray:

Methos 03-04-2011 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by vbob01 (Post 61077)
:bigthink:cub collection for sale, that statement alone over flowed my drool bucket. keep us informed on that, please:Bowdown2::Bowdown2::Pray::Pray::Pray:

Contact me if you want some more info. I'll contact my buddy again and see what he wants for his cub stuff, but he has lots more then just cubs. Here's some details on the last collection I helped sale.

http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=8808

Methos 10-30-2011 02:23 PM

I guess it's time for a update on this old thread. I've got a early style SG from Lew this past summer. A couple weeks ago got thick front axle and collard spindles from Lew as well. I've got a early 61 frame from Eric this past spring. KSanders aka Kevin sold me a early dash tower. Gary hooked me up when I went to see him this past spring with a rebuilt steering column and clutch! I've got a rechromed bird for it and IH emblem that will need some touch ups to make it look good. I've got a NOS K181 to power it. I've made a trade for a NOS cater carb for it as well. I don't plan on running a oil bath filter on it. The plan is build it and then tear it down and paint it. I've never worked on a O before so this should be fun.

I'm still a long way from starting on this got a lot of other things I need to take care of first but wanted to provide a update. It's slow process but it'll so be worth it when I get done with it. Thanks to the great people on OCC with helping me out with reduced prices and some freebies to really help offset the cost of this project!

Anyone got a pic of the early batery wire tie down by chance? I think eric said he had pics of it but not sure.:bigthink:

ACecil 10-30-2011 04:56 PM

Thanks for the update, buddy! :ThumbsUp:

_DX3_ 10-30-2011 08:09 PM

Slow and steady is the way to go with that rebuild. It's going to look awesome I am sure. :beerchug:

juniors1282 10-30-2011 08:15 PM

I'll look for it Duke, but there's one on Epay right now buddy if you need one!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/110764967976...84.m1423.l2649

darkminion_17 10-30-2011 08:59 PM

Thanks for the update Duke,I am on my 2nd year and counting,Maybe next summer it will be done...

Methos 10-30-2011 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by juniors1282 (Post 98688)
I'll look for it Duke, but there's one on Epay right now buddy if you need one!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/110764967976...84.m1423.l2649

Need?:bigthink:

Or want?:bigthink:

Think Mike has a spare one for me? I would say not!:biggrin2: It's a little more then what I was thinking for price but you only have to do it once right.

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Originally Posted by darkminion_17 (Post 98696)
Thanks for the update Duke,I am on my 2nd year and counting,Maybe next summer it will be done...

Thanks for the parts Lew! I hope I get mine done next year or in running shape by then. Once I thin out the collection I'll start working on it.

Methos 10-30-2011 11:56 PM

I forgot to add that I have a set of fenders for it as well. Eric also hooked me up with the early style rear rims as well.

Thanks guys!

Methos 01-17-2012 06:09 PM

Some updates to this old thread.:biggrin2:

I pulled the NOS K181 engine from the 71 to put into the O. I've got to switch oil pans still but will get to that this week. Once I thin out the herd I'll start assembly of the O.

When I took the gas tank off I saw yellow paint! The motor doesn't look like it's been repainted. I pulled the head off to check and see if the motor had been rebuilt. The laste pic with a red circle shows it stamped STD. (hard to see but it's ther) So huge relief there. Not sure why there is yellow on the tins tho. Maybe the tins had been replaced before?:bigthink:

As you can see there is some carbon build up and I'll check the head for flatness and put a new head gasket on it.

On to the pics!

ACecil 01-17-2012 09:59 PM

Thanks for the update, and pics, buddy!


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