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JaysNJcub127 11-17-2010 10:21 PM

got the nerves up !!!!
 
Well, I finally worked up the nerve to pull the leaky head off !!! was not that bad.....

what i found, leak was in the front as you can see
http://jlefantephoto.smugmug.com/Mac...37_n7A54-M.jpg

carbon !!!!!
http://jlefantephoto.smugmug.com/Mac...97_gKCWX-M.jpg

dirty head
http://jlefantephoto.smugmug.com/Mac...21_VSQpf-M.jpg

head gettin clean, I have to get a piece of glass tomorrow and try the sandpaper trick.
http://jlefantephoto.smugmug.com/Mac...60_EWpwo-L.jpg

there was alot of carbon on top of the larger valve and the smaller one was white in color, cleaned them up as well. What should i clean the surface with so the head gasket seals right ?
http://jlefantephoto.smugmug.com/Mac...94_bTvh9-M.jpg

rest for the night
http://jlefantephoto.smugmug.com/Mac...20_DRrsD-L.jpg

Matt G. 11-17-2010 10:35 PM

I typically wipe down the gasket mating surface with mineral spirits to remove anything loose that wasn't scraped off, and then I squirt a bit of oil around the edge of the piston to replace any oil that excess mineral spirits may have washed away. I have also used brake cleaner, as it will dissolve carbon deposits (and LOTS of other things...be careful! The fumes are nasty and you don't want to get any of that in the rings, either).

darkminion_17 11-17-2010 10:39 PM

Very good Jason,
I knew you could do it.
I just use lacquer thinner to prep before I put on the head gasket.

JaysNJcub127 11-17-2010 10:40 PM

thanks
 
Thanks matt, should i use some fine sand paper to go over the block? just want to make sure its clean enough. i can tell this was all off before, there was some antiseize on the bolts and they all came out very easy. I think i will clean them off since they were in great shape.

JaysNJcub127 11-17-2010 10:42 PM

ha ha
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darkminion_17 (Post 48086)
Very good Jason,
I knew you could do it.
I just use lacquer thinner to prep before I put on the head gasket.

the funny thing is i was very intimidated doing this, but I have changed head gaskets in my old mustang before ha ha......this is much faster haha.

Matt G. 11-17-2010 11:02 PM

I would not use sandpaper, as you'll just get sand in the bore, rings, valve guides, etc...not good.

JaysNJcub127 11-17-2010 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt G. (Post 48089)
I would not use sandpaper, as you'll just get sand in the bore, rings, valve guides, etc...not good.

so basically just clean it up with some mineral spirts and be on my way?

Matt G. 11-17-2010 11:08 PM

Yeah, and maybe a scotch-brite pad if you're careful...those leave a residue too. It doesn't really have to be surgically clean. I usually scrape off as much crap as I can with a razor blade and then wipe everything down with mineral spirits.

JaysNJcub127 11-17-2010 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt G. (Post 48091)
Yeah, and maybe a scotch-brite pad if you're careful...those leave a residue too. It doesn't really have to be surgically clean. I usually scrape off as much crap as I can with a razor blade and then wipe everything down with mineral spirits.

i actually used a scotch brite pad with a little brake clean on it. worked good
i will put a little oil around the piston before i reasemble it. should there only be 1 washer on each of the head bolts? the bolts, not the studs....

ol'George 11-18-2010 07:40 AM

Over the years I have seen well meaning folks use scotch bright pads to excess and cause problems.
There are newer auto engines that have a spec on head/block surfaces so the gasket doesn’t creep/leak.
I would just make sure that the block is clean, and the head is flat.
When using the emery cloth/glass method, use a figure "8" movement pattern and keep turning the head so you get a even surface with your hand.
You say a few bolts were not as tight as the others, make sure you re torque the head after a good warm up/cool down cycle.

JaysNJcub127 11-18-2010 07:54 AM

Great
 
Thanks George. Good advise there. The block cleaned up well. I guess I should dump the oil and replace before I start the motor?

JOHN SCHUTTE 11-18-2010 09:30 AM

Jay, one tip I have used and had good success is to use Permatex Copper Coat spray on the head gasket prior to installation. It helps seal off any imperfections that may cause a leak in the future. Two thin coats is all you need. On the down side, it is kinda pricey, but it works.

ol'George 11-18-2010 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOHN SCHUTTE (Post 48117)
Jay, one tip I have used and had good success is to use Permatex Copper Coat spray on the head gasket prior to installation. It helps seal off any imperfections that may cause a leak in the future. Two thin coats is all you need. On the down side, it is kinda pricey, but it works.

I also have used the spray copper coat a couple of times with a questionable surface & had no problems, I just can't say if it would of worked or not worked without using it.

ljones 11-18-2010 11:36 AM

2 Attachment(s)
Here is the correct torque pattern and intructions for cheacking the heads flatness.

kenny9815 11-18-2010 08:00 PM

head gasket change
 
Make sure when you start reassembling the head bolts that you put a small squit of vegtable oil on the threads. Then torque in sequence. Seems to hold torque a lot better.

JaysNJcub127 11-18-2010 09:36 PM

cleaned up and on
 
Ok, grabbed a piece of glass off a table at home, Shhhhhhhh! dont tell the wife, and got the recomended sand paper as per MattG, thanks Matt!!!!!
http://jlefantephoto.smugmug.com/Mac...11_Yyg7e-L.jpg

Yay, finally after a few sheets and some sore arms, it was all nice and even. It had some high spots and where it started leaking it was off in that area.

So I cleaned the threads up and put the new gasket on, mounted Mr. Straight Head. I bought new Grade 8 bolts and new grade 8 nuts for the studs.....I was just too lazy to wire wheel everything he he. Here she is.

http://jlefantephoto.smugmug.com/Mac...26_8StbK-L.jpg

http://jlefantephoto.smugmug.com/Mac...63_cgQaA-L.jpg

http://jlefantephoto.smugmug.com/Mac...09_fuMkJ-L.jpg

Well here is the funny !!!! As I go get my torque wernch out, I dont have a 9/16 deep socket to fit it ha ha doh !!!!!

Sminkey 11-18-2010 09:50 PM

Nice work!
 
That's funny, yesterday I ran into the same issue, needed a deep 3/4" socket so I had to run out and buy one:biggrin2.gif:

JaysNJcub127 11-18-2010 09:56 PM

lol
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sminkey (Post 48191)
That's funny, yesterday I ran into the same issue, needed a deep 3/4" socket so I had to run out and buy one:biggrin2.gif:

glad i am not the only one !!!! ha ha

Mizar N68X 11-19-2010 10:20 AM

That is why I do not call myself a "MECHANIC".
They own tools for every job!!!;)
Looks like a nice job on the resurface there JaysNJcub127!!!!!

william1041200 11-19-2010 10:27 PM

it happened to me too. the 9/16 deep socket... keep accumulating things in addition to the cubs!

JaysNJcub127 11-19-2010 10:57 PM

It's alive !!!!!!
 
She is Alive !!! I fired it up, and it ran well. I moved the idle up from like 3/4 to low a few times and let it run a bit until there was good heat in it !! took it all back apart and will go over the head bolts in the am again !!! Then button it up !!!!!

ACecil 11-19-2010 11:17 PM

That's awesome, Jay! Congrats on a job well done. :beerchug:

JaysNJcub127 11-19-2010 11:31 PM

thanks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ACecil (Post 48290)
That's awesome, Jay! Congrats on a job well done. :beerchug:


Thanks man !!! I am happy i tackled it myself. Saving money and learning something. This will help me when I look for another. I will not be scared to get something that needs a head gasket !!! Great learning experience !!!

JaysNJcub127 11-20-2010 07:57 AM

Done !!!!!!
 
well went back over the head bolts and they are all set !!! and put her all back together. !!!!! Will run her again later !!!

JaysNJcub127 11-20-2010 04:02 PM

Rich
 
So I ran it before but smells like it's running rich. Plus when I throttle it up I get a little puff out of the exhaust. I think the carb needs a adjustment now that the head is sealed up good and making full compression. I have to do this tomorrow since I need to do it outside. Wife was mad I got fumes in the house haha.

Mountain Heritage 11-21-2010 07:33 PM

Great job on the gasket replacement and clean up! :ThumbsUp: LOVE the tires on that beast....can't wait to see it in action doing some work. Hopefully you get the carb adjusted up right and can enjoy all your hard work. :beerchug:

JaysNJcub127 11-21-2010 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountain Heritage (Post 48508)
Great job on the gasket replacement and clean up! :ThumbsUp: LOVE the tires on that beast....can't wait to see it in action doing some work. Hopefully you get the carb adjusted up right and can enjoy all your hard work. :beerchug:

I messed with it today again, and I got it pretty smooth. I get a surge like once and awhile, very slightly, and it gives a little puff of smoke. It still smells rich. When I throttle up, I get a little puff also. It never did this before the headgasket job. I am thinking that the breather needs to be taken out and cleaned, there is some oil residue there and had a little smoke come out of it. If its not that, I am going to perform a compression and leak down test to see whats up. I did just pick up a 105 with a good running motor I could swap in there for the time being if its a problem.

JaysNJcub127 11-21-2010 08:15 PM

Tires
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountain Heritage (Post 48508)
Great job on the gasket replacement and clean up! :ThumbsUp: LOVE the tires on that beast....can't wait to see it in action doing some work. Hopefully you get the carb adjusted up right and can enjoy all your hard work. :beerchug:

hey MH, here is a pic just for you. Matt is gonna yell for me puttin tire pic up LOL

http://jlefantephoto.smugmug.com/Mac...38_6gChT-L.jpg

Sminkey 11-21-2010 08:56 PM

Congrat's
 
Feels good to do something you've never done before and do it successfully, at least for me. That is one of the main reasons for having the Yellow Fever.

That 127 is looking mighty fine:IH Trusted Hand:

JaysNJcub127 11-22-2010 11:59 AM

Yep
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sminkey (Post 48537)
Feels good to do something you've never done before and do it successfully, at least for me. That is one of the main reasons for having the Yellow Fever.

That 127 is looking mighty fine:IH Trusted Hand:

It does feel good. I just hope the motor is ok. I mean it's running good. Just a little rich and a puff here and there.


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