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My 3 cubs- a work thread
Hello everyone! Anyone who has been here a while will probably recognize me from my... well, tantrum would be putting it lightly, from late 2018. Anyway, after a few years to mature and a few years being a John deere man, I have gone back to mainly being a Cub cadet guy, mainly dabbling in 82 series despite being surrounded by quietlines and previously owning one myself.
Anyway, I guess I should introduce them, eh? I'm going to go in chronological order from when I got them. This is gonna take a while, but bear with me. 1985 1210 Got it from marketplace for $225, after browsing on a whim and seeing it for sale. The ad was extremely vague and showed a white and yellow 682 with some questionable damage described as having "electrical issues" which didnt matter because I planned on swapping in a K series in place of the KT17. I decided that I would go check it out just for the heck of it. Needless to say, what was there when I arrived was NOT a 682, but a 1210. The second I saw the K301 I immediately felt relieved, which ironically made the previous owner think I was disappointed. Bought it right there and then. Got it home, fixed the horrendously botched wiring including an aftermarket key switch that had different terminal arrangement and was for a Magnum powered 1210, which was powering the coil full time and would turn over the engine when the key was switched on. Points were at double the usual gap which made it run horrendously until I noticed that little issue. I've mowed with it a handful of times and I'm quite happy with it, though it's main job of mowing has gone by the wayside since we sold the property it mowed. I'm stuck halfway through a hydraulic lift swap, having everything but the rockshaft in, with the hydraulic lift rockshaft needing to be pressed apart. https://i.imgur.com/RG6udCj.jpeg 1980 782 Shortly after getting the 1210, I was interested in picking up a parts tractor to rob the hydraulic lift out of to make the 1210 more usable. Saw a pretty shabby looking 782 on marketplace but it didn't seem like a good candidate for that, given how it was previously a parts tractor already and looked pretty stripped down. After a week, I just so happened to scroll past it again and stopped to actually look at it, and noticed the hydraulic ports on the front for the power angle, and saw that it was surprisingly intact, having all of the body panels and dealer stickers. $50 later and we dragged it home. Originally I was going to part it out and keep the twin stick for the 1210, but a certain idea that's been in the back of my mind for years suddenly came back to me: kawasaki V-twin swap. I found a low-ish hour but pretty neglected FD620D from a 3205 that was being parted out and decided to shove it into the frame, and it fits really well with no cutting, surprisingly. I still have to find a muffler, make a harness, and get the driveshaft shortened to have a first test drive but considering it was a $50 roller a few months back, I'm happy with my progress so far. (Do note that the diesel is currently wearing the 782's hood, since its hood is all bent up. Thats why it doesn't have it) https://i.imgur.com/Ga2SdAA.jpeg 1984 782D I'm just going to cut to the chase. I have a very wierd relationship with this tractor. On one hand, I love it! It runs great and has so much power. On the other hand... well, it was a fight to get it running initially. I spotted it on marketplace for $500, said it was a project and it would not run. Not in the slightest. Didn't even try. That was incredibly accurate, it had no life in it at all. Not even a pop out the exhaust. Would crank and crank, spewing smoke, but absolutely refused to try to fire. After much frustrating troubleshooting, I found that the injection pump was not pushing fuel out at all, other than what I'm assuming was leakage past the plungers when they moved up and down. I disassembled the injection pump, and immediately spotted that: A. It had been torn down before, and screwed with. Shim surface had silicone all over it. B. The injection pump plungers were backwards. All 3 of them. Even after fixing that, it STILL fought me! It just would NOT start at all. Against my better judgement, I gave it a whiff of starting fluid and it did literally nothing (I did it without the glow plugs being hot to keep it from combusting too early just to be safe). Just as I was about to give up hope and wallow in the misery of rebuilding it, a miracle happened: it started up for seemingly no reason. I'm not even going to mention the wiring mess of random wires going to ground when they should've gone to power, including the PTO wires and the fuel pump wire. Also the pickup screen in the tank was collapsing because it was all crushed. I haven't really done anything with it though, since the gear reduction starter is half burned up from them wailing on it trying to get it to start, and it died completely on me after fixing it. Before, it wouldn't spin unless manually engaged with the flywheel, I got it spinning again, and now 3 starts later it doesn't spin at all. Great. https://i.imgur.com/PNRubPT.jpeg I've got a lot of work left to do on the three stooges here but I am going to be so happy when they're all together and running. Until then, the 1210 can represent for the 82 series on its siblings' behalf. |
Was scrolling marketplace for a parts tractor when I spotted something that caught my eye. Needless to say, I brought it home.
The engine from the 782 is going in this frame, my original plan was to part out the diesel, then was going to part out the 782, but I have decided to instead send the 782 to greener pastures and get a white and yellow tractor to part out to fix the two other tractors. The 1912 is actually a late one with everything but the fender pan, fuel tank, and the battery box. Engine was super exploded so I told the PO to keep it, but I did take a nonfunctional 2072 rear end that was there to swap new guts into to get going. It's complete otherwise, surprisingly I got there before anyone took anything off of it. 60" deck has some broken off baffles but is entirely intact otherwise, no rot holes or patches. Will update when I get that parts tractor! Oh, and some pictures: https://i.imgur.com/HeEp7PI.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/LLnBEOX.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/3awq4GE.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/qrj6YS8.jpeg |
OK, so what's up with THE MONSTER PICTUYRES HERE ANYWAY!
Makes it a REAL PITA to read w/o a screen that is 4 freaking feet wide!! |
The pictures are just showing as links on my end. Are they showing as images for you?
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Yes, we see them as pictures. You can upload them here.
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Fixed the pictures being ginormous, added pictures of the 1912, and figured out why I couldn't see them. Turns out they show better when you have attachments, signatures, and profile pictures turned on... Was wondering why the site looked so empty.
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The 1912's & 14's are pretty rare, good save.
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Thinking about actually painting the 1912 like this mockup I made of my diesel in white and red... Still want the blue decals vut I might go with the factory style ones. https://i.imgur.com/WVHRidS.png
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Got the engine pulled on the 782 in preparation for it to go into the 1912 frame. This is quite strange, undoing something that was such a monumental milestone...
https://i.imgur.com/AYDfuhw.jpeg Also pulled the rear cover on the 1912 to check the condition of the gears. Considering the open dipstick and the overall state of the rear end, I was half expecting to find either rust or carnage, but was pleasantly surprised to see that it's just clean inside. Also, side note, they welded the weep holes on the freewheel valves closed to stop them from leaking... https://i.imgur.com/G11nNoa.jpeg |
1912 is safe and sound inside. Engine mount plate is off, of course the bolts had previously run loose and were smashing into the axle, 2 nice witness marks where the bolt heads hit... Need to do some cleaning in the frame and then the Kawasaki can be dropped in. Steering box is going to need replaced but I think that a square fender Deere box will bolt right up, though I'll need to confirm if the length is right.
Hopefully everything else goes smoothly enough... https://www.mytractorforum.com/attac...igh&width=1920https://www.mytractorforum.com/attac...igh&width=1920 |
Decided that parting out the 782 or the diesel was kind of a shame, so I traded the 782 for a 1711. The 782 will be getting a repower instead of getting parted out, and I got my parts tractor.
Got it cleaned up a bit, pulled the fender pan and hood already and got them thrown on the 1912 and the diesel. Transmission needs pulled from the 1912 again so I can swap the pump internals and the transmission housing, and still need to do more cleaning. https://imgur.com/EDT6GFS.jpeg https://imgur.com/JewdPjh.jpeg https://imgur.com/CDQpsja.jpeg https://imgur.com/YWgYAzN.jpg |
Engine is in, doing a bit of cleaning. Got some of the rust off the hood and scraped as much of the dirt out of the inside as possible. Also got the tunnel cover straightened out enough for the holes to line up. I got some square stock ordered to space the tank and fenders higher up and get everything bolted down.
I know the picture sucks, but does it look like I have enough room to fit a rear PTO? I would love to have one but not sure it'll fit if it sticks up above the frame rails to the point of interfering with the fuel tank. The bottom of the tank will be pretty much level with the top of the frame. https://www.mytractorforum.com/attac...igh&width=1920 https://imgur.com/oyvpWcz.jpeg https://imgur.com/zJem6ss.jpeg https://imgur.com/xF9CRYA.jpeg https://imgur.com/4ovxNDt.jpeg https://imgur.com/Mlp9eoo.jpeg |
Got the engine in and the steering back together on the 1912. Made a huge error when ordering a column, and bought one for a Deere just worried about length.
Put the column in, turned steering wheel to the left... wheels turned right. Turns out the worm on the 1912 box is flipped compared to every other steering box I have. It's good enough to mock everything up, I suppose... I'm now down the 1912/982 specific column AND missing the 1912/982 specific hydraulic line to the valve. Seems like every 1912 specific part is either busted or missing... |
Finally got an exhaust for the 1912. There isn't an off the shelf muffler that fits, so I figured the most common one would be my best bet.
Pump needs torn down for an internal inspection to see why it stopped driving but the missing trunion springs and the trailer ball on the back kind of give me an idea. Still need to get the driveshaft figured out which is definitely going to cost me because none of the factory driveshaft options fit, either because they hit the radiator (in the case of the rag joint driveshaft) or are too long (in the case of the 2000 series or cyclops CV driveshaft) I've got to find a shop to cut and weld the 2000 series driveshaft shorter so it'll fit. I've got a list of parts left to make or buy: driveshaft fan and pump coupler, pressure line to the hydraulic valve (982/1912 specific, of course), steering box, wiring, battery box, muffler heat shield, a brake caliper, plus the throttle and choke cables since the factory ones are too short. Hoping to get the 1912 going to run the snowblower this winter because the 20 hp is going to be nice for that. The diesel is also being torn down, I want to get power steering from a super because its steering is weirdly heavy, and also to replace the starter since it decided to up and die on me. https://i.imgur.com/9Jpqjj3.png |
Throttle and choke cables installed, side panels cleaned up, headlights are in...
The 1711 parts tractor is coming in real handy, so far it's given basically everything to the 1912 and the hood and grille to the diesel. Kind of sad that it's a parts tractor, all the panels are in such good shape but the mechanical side of it is just... not good. Lots of rust from being a snow clearing tractor with weighted tires, the rims are in amazing cosmetic shape but are ROTTEN BAD around the valve stems. Thanks to it, though, the 1912 is a lot better than the shabby frame I got it as! https://i.imgur.com/z8AroE6.png https://i.imgur.com/JBtGgkk.png |
Pump teardown underway. Everything looks perfectly normal, still machining marks on everything and no major damage. Was expecting it to be like the hydro pump I tore down, where the charge pump was horrifically scored, the internals were overly worn, and the diff housing was full of busted gear teeth despite having no gear damage. Filter on this transmission does have a huge hole in it, so I'm thinking that's what made the tractor lose all power from the transmission.
Cast iron transmission housing has been torn down and I'll be putting it all back together with the axles from my 1210 transmission because the super brakes are larger and the cast axle housings lack the brackets for the super calipers, though I'm missing one anyway so not like it matters. https://i.imgur.com/TAp6kU6.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/rfXhWrN.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/3oeHlAM.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/e6RQUIt.jpeg |
Finally got my tank mounted, and the fender support brackets drilled. I don't think a rear 3 point will work on this tractor with the fuel tank that's in it, unfortunately. I think the rockshaft is going to hit the bottom of the tank. Planning on getting my driveshaft adapter from Jeff in PA so I can get the length measurement for the driveshaft shortening. Slowly getting closer and closer to getting it all done...
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Well I've spent the last 2 days running the 1912 trying to get it dialed in and I've found three problems:
1. It idles like crap. It really struggles. It doesn't even out with choke and runs like it's flooding but there isn't an adjustment for the idle mixture so that's a problem I straight up can't fix. 2. It blows oil smoke on and off. It doesn't do it constantly, but it definitely does do it. 3. It has a horrendous bottom end knock. It sounds like a rod is about to punch through the side of the block at any second, and it's definitely not valve related. I think it's kaput, which is a shame because I haven't even driven either of the tractors that the engine has been mounted in. I'm gonna see if I can gain access to the inside of the engine to see exactly what's going on but I don't think it's going to be good. |
Got the valves adjusted, fuel system hooked up, and ran it for a bit to get it warmed up. Runs a lot nicer with a fuel pump and a tank instead of gravity feed through the fuel line.
Will go to the shop and get the driveshaft for it tomorrow. https://i.imgur.com/xTYte8w.jpeg |
1912 had its first drive today! Made a few minor errors while putting it together including forgetting the suction tube and the expansion plug for the front of the transmission, thought the transmission was blown up because I forgot to tighten the hydro filter, but it runs and drives!
Still need a steering box to fix the backwards steering, the pressure line to the hydraulic valve, axle seals, a harness, and a choke cable, and a bunch more small parts. Electrical is going to be a whole thing but honestly there's been worse parts to this project so far. https://i.imgur.com/qWxpEXw.jpeg |
Aside from all the great work you are performing , I think you need a bigger shed
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I think we need less green ones in the shed taking up space. Had to pull the half dying 332 out to get the 1912 pulled out through the door!
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Just working on cleaning her up a bit and getting a harness made. Seat's looking good on there!
It's so funny parking it next to the 655 because the 655 feels like a huge tractor but the 1912 is only a few inches shorter in terms of height and width, not counting attachments. Wheelbase is exactly the same, hilariously. https://i.imgur.com/JEfFK2c.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/YfdZYcJ.jpeg |
Batch of parts for the diesel. They look awful but should clean up well. Good grille casting with a good IH emblem and headlights, seat and brackets, fender pan with taillights, and a dash for parts.
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Diesel is slowly going back together. Eventually I'll have to pull it to the front and pull the engine to replace the starter and some annoying to reach gaskets. Going to be doing some fab work, taking a firewall from a parts tractor and modifying it to go in front of the battery to do three things: keep the battery from walking off the tray due to the front being cut off, give some support to the hood to prevent it from breaking the top of the dash again, and also to keep the battery from shorting against the hood if the hood breaks the dash again.
Shame the hood (not pictured) is so bad looking, they seem to have sanded all the red off and then shoddily painted it white. I don't have the kind of money that people want for an original diesel hood, nor do I really think that it's a huge priority thing to buy given the leaking injectors and the completely gutted and rotten muffler... https://i.imgur.com/31wh8Cn.jpeg |
Had all three 82 series out today to swap them around a bit.
https://i.imgur.com/7HINr5v.png Diesel is running and starting great following a minor overhaul (firewall to support hood, glow plug relay, new starter, repaired wiring to the starter solenoid) Found a very "professional" implementation of a brake switch bypass that was making the starting circuit totally non-functional (starter would click but wouldn't actually spin). https://i.imgur.com/oXXv4Ni.jpeg I banished the 1210 to the back given its current non-running state with the completely worn out K301 so the diesel, that actually starts off the battery now, can be at the front of the shed. Also got the diesel cleaned up a bit. Still a few more things to fix on it, but it's a massive improvement to what it was when I got it. https://i.imgur.com/rDvcwmV.jpeg |
Had the diesel out moving a bit of scrap. Ground's super wet so it spent half the time spinning the tires but I made it with ample use of the turning brakes. This tractor runs better and better every time I run it, the blowby is completely gone and so is the surge at idle.
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Picked up an 1864 for parts for the diesel, mainly for the power steering, CV driveshaft, and the transmission. Might use the super steer axle under the diesel but I am going to test fit with the stock axle and see if the cylinder clears the tires. Also got a brand new seat under a horrendous seat cover that was full of mouse nest and packing foam that just needs some paint on the seat pan because the powder coating is all falling off in giant sheets.
Diesel helped unload it, normally I would just roll it off but the brakes are dragging and the blade got stuck on the side of the trailer. Picked the rear of the 1864 up with the 3 point and rolled it off the trailer. https://i.imgur.com/bc8oJ9j.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/I3nO1Pf.jpeg |
Did some mocking up and honestly, I hated the stance of the 1864 axle. Bit too tall and the wheels were too far forward for my liking. Had a 318 axle laying around that I decided to give a test fit and it works way better than the 1864 axle. The 318 axle is 2.5" taller than stock but the wheels are in the same spot, while the 1864 axle is 3.25" taller than stock with the wheels about 1.5" further forward.
I'm going to try to make the whole setup seem stock but the hydraulic lines have already been replaced/modified so I'm not super hopeful about it looking totally stock. https://imgur.com/0t7WGXt.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ds1tyhv.jpeg |
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