Cub Cadet 2182 PTO clutch
 

I need to replace my 2182 PTO clutch. So far, I have tried eBay and Exteme for a replacement. eBay was a bust and got ripped off. Extreme sent what they said was a correct PTO clutch for a 2182. It was wrong and don't think they know or understand what it takes to make a PTO clutch correct for a 2182. Is anyone out there that has actually bought a replacement PTO clutch for a Cub Cadet 2182 would like to hear from you, with the company used, and your experience with the clutch.

There are three (3) generations of the 2182, depending on serial number range.

Generations 1 & 2 used PTO Assembly 717-3467
Generation 3 used PTO Assembly 917-3389

I don't know, neither does eBay or Extreme, which generation you have.

IF..........you go to the tractor Model/Serial tag, on the left hand side of the frame, and tell us what you serial number is, we will tell you the correct PTO for your tractor.

You folks should really spend a little time learning how to navigate the CCC parts lookup site.
If a 77 year old geezer like me can do it, anyone should be able to do it

https://www.cubcadet.com/en_US/conte...rtstream.html#

Xtreme list 2 different clutches available. Based on serial number. One is 4” for the older model and a 6” for the newer model. Did you call or email them and ask for help?

If yours isn't burned up just put new bearings in it for less than $20.

Here is how the pto looked on my 1992 2182 when I got it.

Attachment 109142Attachment 109143

I installed new bearings in my GTX2154LE PTO earlier this spring as well.

finsruskw
 

guess i will have to pay retail on the pto clutch for a 2182. almost no one and the PTO sellers included -- understand the 2182 clutch is different than the usual lawn mower clutches.

What is the part number you need?

Post some pictures of your original and the ones you purchased if you still have them. Also, post a picture of your serial number tag.

They are not that much different unless you have one somebody has modified. How long have you owed it?

I'm sure the 5 people that replied to your post do understand what your clutch is all about.

What is wrong with yours? Post some pics up and tell us your serial number so we can help.

Your machine should take either one of these.

If your machine was built before serial# 821,060 it should have the 4.6" version like this. https://xtremeope.com/p/xtreme-repla...adet-717-3467/

If it was built after serial# 821,060 it should have the 6" version like this. https://xtremeope.com/p/xtreme-repla...B&gclsrc=aw.ds

All the specs are on Xtreme's page. It doesn't get much easier than that.

The part number for the 800,000 to 821,059 clutch is 717-3313 according to my parts book. After that it is 717-3375

You will have to reuse the insert out of your old one to put in the new one. Here is a pic of the insert and one of 6202 bearings used.


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There is a reason he didn't reply back with a serial number or post any pictures.

:bigthink:

Do you know the reason? Tell us!!

NO, I don't know the reason.

It was wrong and don't think they know or understand what it takes to make a PTO clutch correct for a 2182

That's hard for me to believe....

thanks for the replies. do not currently have the capability to post pictures. the old pto clutch is toast. the field winding coil insulation has given up -- will engage and run for a few seconds and disengage. i bought a pto clutch from extreme and after carefully reading their instruction it looks like the clutch might not have been the right one -- so sent it back for a refund. had previously bought on from an ebay seller -- made in china model -- and had return it also. the roads are full of pto clutch salesmen -- only problem is almost no seller can verify their clutch will give satisfactory service when mounted on a cub cadet 2182. they do not understand this clutch will have to be mounted with the pulley next to the engine. this is the problem --most pto clutches mount the pulley away from the engine. mounting a new pto clutch with the rotation in the wrong direction will apparently cause it to fail quickly. finally got an email from the warner pto clutch folks and the engineer assured me this warner clutch number 5215-68 would give good service. the old warner clutch number 5210-30 that came on my machine. neither of the pto clutches i received had any identification numbers on them to show it is correct ect. just because a pto clutch will bolt up to a 2182 cub cadet is no assurance it will give good service -- these clutches are directional and apparently will fail quickly if installed with the rotation wrong. the old warner clutch only had a plastic sticker with the numbers but it was still in good condition ect. strange the new crop of pto clutch sellers have no identification on the clutches they sell. the flat metal springs inside the clutch are apparently the important part of the life of this part. my old one only had 3 flat metal springs. have seen pictures of some models of pto clutches that have 6 flat springs. think my old clutch was installed on the machine when it was built. think the zero turn mowers manufactures have demanded the pto clutch makers make improvements in the quality of pto clutches. it appears the 2182 pto clutches are just barely adequate for service. the old cub cadet parts manual shows the field coil could be purchases separately at one time. my clutch just showed too much wear to risk only replacing the field coil ect.

Did you ever get the serial number from the tractor?

did use my
machines s/n to make sure i was asking for the correct pto clutch. the man that posted the cub cadet parts page listing backed up my pto clutch choices.

1574, I'm gonna call BS on that info. Xtreme makes clutches better than OEM, period. I just pulled up all 3 configurations of a 2182 clutch and they all are mounted with the drive pulley near the engine. Why do you think your 2182 is so different than every other one built? Here is a pic of my 2182 with the same numbers on the clutch 5210-30. It is a 1992 built machine with a serial number 832820. What is the serial number for your machine?
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I believe many others on here have "upgraded" to an Xtreme clutch on here for their 2182's with no issues.

21 horsepower that the WG600 Kubota puts out is pretty wimpy to the machines built today.

I've never owned the WG600, but the same era Kohlers, which are rated at less HP have more usable torque than many modern engines. The whole HP rating for workhorse engines such as these is pretty useless IMHO.

1574, I get what you are saying about the correct rotation. Did you call Xtreme and talk to them? Here is the replacement for the Warner 5210-30.

https://xtremeope.com/p/xtreme-repla...arner-5210-30/

And this how yours mounts.
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It's not useless, and the modern engines (mostly) have just as much usable torque. Horsepower is a dependent variable of torque and RPM, and since they all run (and are rated) at 3600 RPM, definitionally the more horsepower the more torque at the desired operating speed of the engine.

The difference is the shape of the torque curve and what happens when you start lugging the engine down.

For a small engine in most of these applications, what matters is the torque rise i.e. how quickly the amount of torque increases as a function of decreasing RPM. The engines (at least the Kohler ones) are generally designed to operate well past the peak torque number so that if you get into a situation where the engine has to slow down from it's desired operating speed (3600 RPM), the engine can recover from it with increased torque output and bring the output back up to 3600.

The steeper that curve, the more "grunt" the engine has. A flat curve would mean that you're always putting out the maximum amount of force and the only way for you to maintain the speed you desire once the engine starts to slow is to reduce the amount of load the engine is under (i.e. slow down the work). You can see the commands have decently similar and probably slightly better curves than the K singles (the scale on the graph is different) and better than the D600, at least as long as you don't drag them down past the peak too far.

Here's the CH18/20/22 curve (for the 77mm bore engines). I'd consider these modern engines, as Kohler is still making them today.
http://i.imgur.com/e9vA9sa.png

For comparison here's from the D600 in the 882/782d/1512/1572:
http://i.imgur.com/vIxanKKh.jpg

And here's for the big kohler K series singles:
http://i.imgur.com/eQFWJJx.jpg

I've never been able to find solid curves for the M18/M20/KT17/KT19/KT21, but they are fairly similar to the CH18/20 from what I have been able to find, though maybe slightly "peakier". I agree that they would still compare favorably to the modern stuff in terms of power output, but probably not efficiency.

I don't have a graph for the WG600, but the numbers I found says it makes 30 ft lbs peak torque at 2450 RPM. If it's rated at 21 HP at 3600 RPM, that means it'd be making 30.6 ft-lbs of torque there. That's actually negative torque rise. It also means that if the power curve from the CH18 above is correct, the CH18 can actually grunt down and do what the WG600 could do if you had it pegged on the governor all the time and lugged down to 2400 RPM or so. The difference is that the WG600 can keep doing that work happily at 3600 RPM (i.e. more horsepower). You just can't load it down past that or it's gonna not be able to recover unless you back off what you're doing.

This also plays into why I think the diesel cubs are kinda pointless, at least in stock form. Add a turbo and turn them up or whatever and they are better, but they are pretty gutless in stock form.

OAKS -- i agree with you the extreme clutch is made better than original equipment and the better of the two i have received and sent back. the partsangle clutch and the extreme may have been correct but the clutches i received had no identification marking on either -- NONE. both had installation directions written in a generic manner -- to install a clutch the normal way -- PTO pulley away from the engine. trying to exchange USEFUL information with partsangle was impossible. the extreme clutch folks did not know a cub cadet 2182 from a Murray lawnmower. as said neither clutch had stampings or tags identifying the clutch and neither seller could furnish specific information on how their clutch were supposed to be installed on a 2182. i am paying for CORRECT parts and do not think either of these sellers would replace a damaged clutch if i had installed the one i received and it failed quickly due to a rotation issue. it is likely both clutches were correct but because i read the details of their generic installation instructions neither of the sellers could furnish useful information how their clutches were supposed to be installed on a CC 2182. you see the old warner clutch had a plastic sticker on the clutch for ID. the way pto clutches are made today it is the intent of the sellers to have a pto clutch capable of fitting a number of different mowers. 20 year or more after my 2182 was made there is not enough 2182's left to interest the clutch sellers. my CC 2182 is model 142-743-100 and sn 825xxx. i finally was able to exchange enough information with the warner PTO clutch folks to receive specific information from them on the correct clutch for a 2182. they say warner 5215-68 is the correct clutch today. after looking at the clutches on the warner pages never did see any ID on the clutches pictured ect. warner did not furnish useful information until the 3rd email.

You are over thinking this. The same clutch on your 2182 is the same one used on many different models.

Though You Have finally found the Information You Looking for as finsruskw said Navigating Cub Cadet parts is actually Pretty simple

Electric PTO clutch By serial Number for the 2182

S/N 800,000 - 816,535
Current Model 717-3467
Old Model 717-3313

S/N 816,536 - 821,059
Current Model 717-3467
Old Model 717-3313

S/N 821,060 - 880,000
Current Model 917-3389
Old Model 717-3375.

Xtreme Model Warner 5210-30 Which replaces S/N 821,060 - 880,000 or Models 917-3389 & 717-3375. when You Look it Up By Model this is the one that shows up on there website

It would be Nice if MTD Provided the Warner Part Number as well In the description as some Manufacturers do that on certain Parts They sell In there Parts diagrams/ Catalogs

1574, now I'm confused.:biggrin2:

Here is the one you purchased.
https://www.warnerptodirect.com/shop...utches/5215-68

Here is the Xtreme.
https://xtremeope.com/p/xtreme-repla...arner-5215-68/

They are both CCW rotation.

Look here in the Warner installation instructions. You should have a CW rotation PTO if I'm reading this correctly.
https://www.altraliterature.com//-/m...uals/p-8816-we

I, for the life of me, can't understand why this post keeps dragging on. The correct information was supplied in post #2.

:Huh: :bash2:

I think Roland if you look at the info from Warner, they want the “leaf springs” to be pulled and not pushed inside of the clutch. 1574 is correct on that. The clutch has to be flipped on the 2182’s causing the clutch to turn in the wrong direction. It probably doesn’t matter with size of our engines. It’s a good point that I never looked at.

Some pictures would help a lot. You may have something that has been modified from stock. I sent a pm with my number and I can post then.

Did you get the new clutch in and installed?