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RumbleFish 08-01-2018 10:38 PM

Shed ramp
 
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So I have a sliding door on the end of my shop. I want to be able to park my cubs inside this door so I dont have to move any cars to get them out the main door. The problem I have is the foundation is 5" above the ground. Im looking for suggestions to build a ramp in order to be able to pull in, keeping in mind I will have to leave a gap for the door to slide though. Ive googled and seen some other ramps but couldnt really find anything similar to what Im trying to accomplish. Thanks in advance...and Im not sure why my pics are sideways

Jeff

RumbleFish 08-02-2018 12:26 AM

admins please delete this thread, i double posted

cooperino 08-02-2018 06:25 AM

Hmmm :bigthink: thought I posted a response to this yesterday.. dejavu lol..

RumbleFish 08-02-2018 07:24 AM

Interesting indeed.

cooperino 08-02-2018 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RumbleFish (Post 462422)
Interesting indeed.

So, I think the other post got deleted.
My suggestion if you did not see it was to set forms and pour a ramp in concrete leaving a gap large enough for door to pass. That small of a gap will not hinder wheeled things like cars or tractors. You could keep a piece of lumber handy to fill the gap when needed. Its either that or altering or cutting the door.

CADplans 08-02-2018 08:32 AM

:bigthink:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3r0cgm5d.jpg

DoubleO7 08-02-2018 09:47 AM

If you go with a curb or a concrete ramp, you might have to address the possibility of the gap filling with snow and ice in winter.
Could possibly freeze your door shut.

J-Mech 08-02-2018 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DoubleO7 (Post 462434)
If you go with a curb or a concrete ramp, you might have to address the possibility of the gap filling with snow and ice in winter.
Could possibly freeze your door shut.

That's what I said in his other thread...... that apparently got delete? :bigthink:

I also stated that I'd he poured a concrete approach, it would have to have a footer at the door, or it will hoove up in the winter during freeze and jam the door. But still have the same issue with the door track filling with snow.

A non permanent ramp is best. It's that or rework the door.

DoubleO7 08-02-2018 11:52 AM

Sorry, If I had seen the other thread I would have let you repeat your post.

J-Mech 08-02-2018 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DoubleO7 (Post 462455)
Sorry, If I had seen the other thread I would have let you repeat your post.

No, It's fine. This is the thread he asked to be deleted as a duplicate. I don't understand why the other one is the one that got deleted. Accident I guess?? It had all the posts in it. This one originally just had the first post, and the second asking for deletion.

cooperino 08-02-2018 01:36 PM

You know.. The gap is something to consider. However. You could attach a piece of angle iron to the door that could cover the gap when the door is shut to keep snow and ice out. Chances are your door is shut more than its open in cold weather I would think.

J-Mech 08-02-2018 02:29 PM

I don't think of piece of angle iron will keep snow, water or ice out.

cooperino 08-02-2018 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech (Post 462473)
I don't think of piece of angle iron will keep snow, water or ice out.

If the gap is covered and pitched towards the down slope of the ramp how would it get in? If the gap is 2" and a "cover attached to door is 3" and close tolerance to the ramp " tight but not touching" and end was capped? You might get some in there but I doubt its enough to freeze it up any worse than it does now. Granted the door is not flat but those gaps can be sealed also.

bllwnkl 08-02-2018 03:05 PM

Couldn't you just screw some 2x6s to some triangles as a movable ramp?

https://i.imgur.com/YN9h5Up.jpg?1

J-Mech 08-02-2018 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cooperino (Post 462478)
If the gap is covered and pitched towards the down slope of the ramp how would it get in? If the gap is 2" and a "cover attached to door is 3" and close tolerance to the ramp " tight but not touching" and end was capped? You might get some in there but I doubt its enough to freeze it up any worse than it does now. Granted the door is not flat but those gaps can be sealed also.

It will still get in.

cooperino 08-02-2018 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech (Post 462486)
It will still get in.

Your right Jon... As usual.... Your way is the best. No way to make anyone elses way work. I think I would rather deal with cleaning 10' X 2" every once in awhile than use some movable temporary ramp. Leave the temporary ramp out in weather now you still have to move that to clean the frozen build up anyway. For all we know the sun hits this thing first thing every morning and melts what there anyway but no one thought to ask what direction it faces.

We get bitter cold and snow here. One of my sheds has a ramp that could pose a problem like this. Don't think it ever took me more than a few minutes to get it open in the worst weather.

:beatdeadhorse::beatdeadhorse::beatdeadhorse:

Do it Jons way. The first time the ramp slips from wheels spinning or from bad weather just ask him how to fix it. He knows all.

J-Mech 08-02-2018 05:22 PM

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Had lots of shed doors on the farm that would freeze up in the winter due to design. Sorry you disagree, but I've seen it all too many times. It will freeze shut if the door is in a groove. Hell, the sliding doors on the shed I worked in all winter froze shut twice, and they aren't even in a groove. Snow blew under them, melted just a bit, and the froze. Spent a half an hour chipping the ice to get them open.

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cooperino 08-02-2018 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech (Post 462489)
Had lots of shed doors on the farm that would freeze up in the winter due to design. Sorry you disagree, but I've seen it all too many times. It will freeze shut if the door is in a groove. Hell, the sliding doors on the shed I worked in all winter froze shut twice, and they aren't even in a groove. Snow blew under them, melted just a bit, and the froze. Spent a half an hour chipping the ice to get them open.

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That groove is not deep enough or wide enough and there is nothing attached to the door to keep snow from going in groove. Horrible design you have there.

Terry C 08-02-2018 06:20 PM

I’ve not seen a sliding door design that was impervious to winters. Some we had only had guides by the two ends. They still stuck even though the guides were only 6 in long. Anything that guides that door will get crap in it and freeze.
Need an overhead door.
Removable ramp is what I would do.

CADplans 08-02-2018 06:41 PM

The OP said he wants to get his lawn mower out of that door,, without moving the car,,

I doubt he needs to mow the grass when the door is frozen shut,,, :biggrin2:

My SIL's door has not froze shut,, at all. EVER,, and, that concrete bumper has been there since 1985,,

I guess it is nice that the weather cooperates in Virginia,,,:bigthink:

J-Mech 08-02-2018 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cooperino (Post 462490)
That groove is not deep enough or wide enough and there is nothing attached to the door to keep snow from going in groove. Horrible design you have there.

Open your eyes. There is NO GROOVE. The approach is simply lower than the building floor. It has a footer and doesn't move, but snow will build up under the door when it blows. It's about the best design a sliding door can be in a cold climate.

cooperino 08-02-2018 08:32 PM

I don't think its the best design for a sliding door. WWII hangers have manual sliding doors. Still plenty of these hangers being used today. Theres a track thats is almost like a piece of railroad track or could actually be RR track for all I know "can only see the top" thats just a hair below surface. Then wheels recessed up into door that rolls on the track. They have a weather strip that keeps out snow and rain. I've opened them with a foot of snow on the ground.
My point is. There are ways to keep weather and rain and Ice out of sliding doors like this or at least help the situation. Theres more than one way to skin a cat.

darkminion_17 08-02-2018 08:44 PM

Meow, only in the jina!

cooperino 08-02-2018 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by darkminion_17 (Post 462510)
Meow, only in the jina!

Lmao.. apparently so.

ol'George 08-02-2018 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by darkminion_17 (Post 462510)
Meow, only in the jina!

Now yall gone and did it,:banned:
The tree hugger PETA people will be all over this.
I can see the fake news tomorrow "Klub kibbits Recommenmds skinnin' cats on railroad tracks"
Little children forced to to without Hello Kiddy clothes to start the skool year.:angry:

cooperino 08-02-2018 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ol'George (Post 462513)
Now yall gone and did it,:banned:
The tree hugger PETA people will be all over this.
I can see the fake news tomorrow "Klub kibbits Recommenmds skinnin' cats on railroad tracks"
Little children forced to to without Hello Kiddy clothes to start the skool year.:angry:

Bwahahaha!:biggrin2:

I'll try to clean up the mess before they get here

olds45512 08-02-2018 09:12 PM

I have an idea but I'm not in the mood to get in a pissing match with a bunch of experts.

RumbleFish 08-02-2018 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CADplans (Post 462494)
The OP said he wants to get his lawn mower out of that door,, without moving the car,,

I doubt he needs to mow the grass when the door is frozen shut,,, :biggrin2:

This made me lol, but its also very true. The opposite end of my building has a 10x12 overhead door but in the summers I'm always tinkering with the cars. So I thought Id turn this area by the sliding door into Cub Corner, and make it easy to get out to mow or whatever. In the winter the cars will be in storage mode so Ill have enty of room to use the overhead door. But since I bought a meyer plow and a dodge to hang it on, we dont really get enough snow to plow anyway. Go figure.


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Originally Posted by ol'George (Post 462513)
I can see the fake news tomorrow "Klub kibbits Recommenmds skinnin' cats on railroad tracks"

Makes me think of when my gf and I first got together and she was unfamiliar with cubs. She thought they were "club cadets" because I also have a club car golfcart, she thought they were made by the same company :biggrin2:

cooperino 08-02-2018 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by olds45512 (Post 462520)
I have an idea but I'm not in the mood to get in a pissing match with a bunch of experts.

Please proceed. I'm no expert myself. I'm not the one that claimed my idea was the best way. I'm sure the OP would like to hear your idea

RumbleFish 08-02-2018 09:23 PM

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So i just finished this up. The main thing I was after was cheap. Total investment here? $9 for some stakes and some deck screws. I scrounged through the previous home owners lumber pile and found a 4x4 and some 2x4 cutoffs. I also found part of a bowling alley lane but it broke when I laid it down. I really wanted to use it too...oh well. In the course of moving here, I seemed to have lost my circular saw, so all this was done with a sawzall. Dont laugh, it worked. I put the 4x4 close to the door, then built a box off it. Since I couldnt cut the 2x4 at an angle, I just buried one end in the gravel. Its 62" wide so its plenty big enough for my 1641. I can easily move this thing if needed and I only plan to use it during mowing season so the snow and ice wasnt really a concern for me. Thanks to everybody for the ideas!

Jeff

john hall 08-02-2018 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by olds45512 (Post 462520)
I have an idea but I'm not in the mood to get in a pissing match with a bunch of experts.

Never used but one shop with sliding doors (our old farm shop), guess I am lucky. Roll up doors are great--till they are wet with rain and then you raise them and they drip all over everything.

RumbleFish 08-03-2018 04:34 PM

Spent some time today cleaning/organizing the corner I'll be putting the cubs in. I already wish I placed the ramp further away from the side wall or it was wider but it will do for now. It'll be pretty easy to widen in in the future. Now i need to hang some cc signs. Pics as soon as my phone cooperates.

bllwnkl 08-03-2018 10:36 PM

Glad that works for you. That's kind of what I was trying to show with my crude sketch. :biggrin2:

RumbleFish 08-05-2018 03:09 AM

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Hopefully I have the pic thing figured out. I guess occ and my phone really dont like each other so I emailed the pics to myself and resized them with my pc at work. So this is what I ended up with. Also pictured is my dog, who was of no help. This will work for now but I'll end up making the ramp 8' wide at some point, probably next summer. The O and the LT will be parked for winter along with my cars, so I can still use the overhead door to get the 1641 out with a blade for snow duty.

J-Mech 08-05-2018 10:58 AM

Looks good to me. Why can't you just drag it sideways a bit? Looks plenty wide to me...?

RumbleFish 08-05-2018 11:53 PM

The 4x4 next to the foundation is staked to the ground and the other end is sink into the gravel. After thinking further, you're right...it would be easiest just to pull it up and move it instead of pulling all the 2x4s up to replace with 8 footers. Maybe some day but it works for now!

DoubleO7 08-06-2018 10:29 AM

Heck with the Cub Cadets, I like the 1960's something Plymouth(?) better!

finsruskw 08-06-2018 10:45 AM

Really now, going on 5 pages to figure out how to nail a few boards together??!!

cooperino 08-06-2018 12:14 PM

I only see 2 pages. But my posts per page are set at 20 :biggrin2:

J-Mech 08-06-2018 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by finsruskw (Post 462849)
Really now, going on 5 pages to figure out how to nail a few boards together??!!

Well, you know how it is. The simple solutions get overlooked. Hell, I wouldn't have consulted the internet masses to solve this particular issue. Wait..... I'm not really the type to consult the internet masses for anything. :biggrin2: I'm the "answer guy". :BlahBlah:


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