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whaler12 05-12-2018 03:46 PM

1872 w/ 54” power angle plow lift rod
 
Hoping someone can help out. I’ve searched but come up empty. I have a 1872 with a 54” power angle snow plow. All hooked up and working except.... missing the lift rod. Can someone send some good photos of the rod connection at the tractor and how it connects to the plow and maybe some dimensions. I’m going to try and make one myself or if anyone knows where to get one i’ll check that out too. Thanks a lot

IHCubCadet147 05-12-2018 04:53 PM

Did you look here?

http://onlycubcadets.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4616

whaler12 05-12-2018 06:09 PM

Thanks yea I've seen that method and spent some time looking at my set up there is no way though that the lift rod is straight like that the front axel on the 1872 is in the way.

R Bedell 05-12-2018 07:10 PM

Who says the Lift Rod has to be straight....???

:bigthink:

olds45512 05-12-2018 07:45 PM

The 1872 doesn't have a rockshaft on the outside to hook the plow to like the one from that link. I believe the rod has to hook to the rockshaft under the tractor but I'm not sure how.

Steve N Mi 05-12-2018 08:51 PM

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I will try to help but what I have shouldn't be the last word on this because my plow mount is not factory. As for hook up locations it is very close to factory but you will notice my angle cylinder is not located as yours/factory.

My lift link is 28" center to center of 1/2" hole on plow end and midpoint of a 1/2 x 1.125 slotted hole in the tractor end. My link is made from 1" OD steel tube flattened on the ends for mounting holes. Where it hooks to the tractor is shown in the picture as the lift pin directly below the cam and knob.

Yes the tube is straight.

J-Mech 05-12-2018 10:07 PM

What if the OP has an IH 54" power angle blade..... he never said it was a Haban blade.

Dirty Steve 05-13-2018 06:34 AM

The pictures of the sub frame are Haban blade. Never saw a Haban blade with round skid shoes though......

Try this link:

http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=7434

Dirty Steve 05-13-2018 06:44 AM

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I do not have a picture of my lift rod when I mounted my Haban 401, but I circled the rock shaft on my early 2182 where it went.

J-Mech 05-13-2018 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Steve (Post 453502)
The pictures of the sub frame are Haban blade. Never saw a Haban blade with round skid shoes though......

The OP hasn't posted any pics. What pictures are you talking about?

whaler12 05-13-2018 11:01 AM

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Appreciate the reply’s attaching some photos. I’m not sure what model plow it is since I bought the plow used. In the first photos I thought I’d catch a break and be able to use the lift rod off my 450 snow blower since it has a curve and is adjustable but it binds on the axle and the blade won’t move up or down. Is it possible I’m missing a bracket somewhere?

whaler12 05-13-2018 11:01 AM

Also not sure why the pictures come through upside down....

Alvy 05-13-2018 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by whaler12 (Post 453542)
Also not sure why the pictures come through upside down....

If you’re taking with phone hold it horizontal with the home button on the right and problem solved

MikeMasheris 05-13-2018 12:00 PM

You can put a 54 Cub Cadet blade on but you will tear it up your super has too much power.The Haben blade has a subframe to the rear for support.

IHCubCadet147 05-13-2018 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvy (Post 453547)
If you’re taking with phone hold it horizontal with the home button on the right and problem solved

I have found that to fix this, I go into the picture adjustments, and flip the picture completely so it is right side up again, then it posts correctly. At least on an iPhone, I don't know if other types of phones will work the same.

olds45512 05-13-2018 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeMasheris (Post 453548)
You can put a 54 Cub Cadet blade on but you will tear it up your super has too much power.The Haben blade has a subframe to the rear for support.

An 1872 is just a bigger version of an 1811, i highly doubt the plow will fair any worse on the 1872 then it would on an 1811.

J-Mech 05-13-2018 12:24 PM

Looks like I was right.
An SGT doesn't have any more power than a GT does.

You can't lift that blade with the stock set up. The SGT lift mechanism works backwards from the GT lift. Easiest way would be to change the lift mechanism on the blade and make a rod. You're on your own on this one. Otherwise sell that blade and find a Haban blade.

Edit: You might be able to turn the lift bracket over, then run the lift rod under the axle. Make sure to leave room for axle oscillation. By the way, who modified the blade sub frame to fit the SGT frame?

darkminion_17 05-13-2018 12:37 PM

I agree on that point but the 1872 is 200lbs heavier.

flatpickerray 05-13-2018 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech (Post 453551)
Looks like I was right.
An SGT doesn't have any more power than a GT does.

You can't lift that blade with the stock set up. The SGT lift mechanism works backwards from the GT lift. Easiest way would be to change the lift mechanism on the blade and make a rod. You're on your own on this one. Otherwise sell that blade and find a Haban blade.

Edit: You might be able to turn the lift bracket over, then run the lift rod under the axle. Make sure to leave room for axle oscillation. By the way, who modified the blade sub frame to fit the SGT frame?

I agree with Jonathan, I would sell that blade and find a Haban. Your tractor and my 982 are set up to push the blade up rather than pull it up. When I got mine the lift rod was missing and I had to make one. I used a flat bar 1/2 X 2" because it has to be pretty stout to push the blade up without flexing.

Steve N Mi 05-13-2018 02:48 PM

Not to muddy the waters but my blade was a 2 spring IH 54" blade with power angle added at some point. The undercarriage was all bent up and the angle cylinder mount was broke off at some point and cobbled back together by the gob weld technique. I looked at my friends 1872 with a 4 spring 54" blade (quite possibly a Haban) and built a undercarriage similar to his to work with this blade. I think the original blade mount where it depends on the 2 small pins to take all the push load is a joke. That is why I made up the side plates mounting with two 1/2" bolts per side and extended the undercarriage to mount up with the 3/4" shaft at the rear. The same 3/4" shaft I use with my 54" snow blower and the Haban 60" mower deck.

whaler12 05-13-2018 06:12 PM

Do you have any pictures of that? How did it hold up? I got this blade for a decent price already had new hoses made etc. and any power angles Haban or not don’t really come around often so I think I’m going to see if I can get this to work.

J-Mech 05-13-2018 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by darkminion_17 (Post 453553)
I agree on that point but the 1872 is 200lbs heavier.

So is my 1811 with fluid filled tires and 75# wheel weights. :biggrin2:
Actually it is 300# heavier. :BlahBlah:

darkminion_17 05-13-2018 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech (Post 453570)
So is my 1811 with fluid filled tires and 75# wheel weights. :biggrin2:
Actually it is 300# heavier. :BlahBlah:

Yes it is.
But if you did that to the 1872 it would be 300lbs heavier than yours, plus add a Fatty Arbuckle and your 1811 with your little man body will not compare.heheheheh:biggrin2:

I would look for a Haban blade for that 1872.

Steve N Mi 05-13-2018 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by whaler12 (Post 453569)
Do you have any pictures of that? How did it hold up? I got this blade for a decent price already had new hoses made etc. and any power angles Haban or not don’t really come around often so I think I’m going to see if I can get this to work.

If you are directing your post to me ??? Then the pictures are in post# 6. It has worked very well for the past 3 years. I spread out a pile of dirt for planting last week just before pulling the blade off and installing a 50" deck for mowing.

Do you have access to a Haban blade near you that you can copy to fab up an undercarriage for your blade? If you can cut and weld, go for it.

J-Mech 05-13-2018 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by darkminion_17 (Post 453575)
.... plus add a Fatty Arbuckle and your 1811 with your little man body will not compare.heheheheh:biggrin2:

:ExtremeFunny: Touche! :Duel:

And that's why I have CaCl2 in the tires, lol.

TNTs CC 05-13-2018 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by darkminion_17 (Post 453575)
Yes it is.
But if you did that to the 1872 it would be 300lbs heavier than yours, plus add a Fatty Arbuckle and your 1811 with your little man body will not compare.heheheheh:biggrin2:

I would look for a Haban blade for that 1872.

I'll raise you an 800# Cub 3240 with 70# cast wheel weights, filled tires, weight rack with five 42# suitcase weights, a full steel Sims cab and a 300# operator. Gotta add the 54" blade, hitch 2 hydro circuits weight to that too.

How does that compare??? That be about 1900# with the blade or about 2100# with the snow blower. It was probably too heavy if that's possible.

It's the best plow GT I've ever used and unstoppable with the snow blower too. Next year I'm gonna have one tractor set-up with a blade and another other with the cab and snow blower combo.

J-Mech 05-13-2018 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TNTs CC (Post 453584)
How does that compare??? That be about 1900# with the blade or about 2100# with the snow blower. It was probably too heavy if that's possible.

800 tractor
140 w.w.
210 s.w
100 fluid (assuming not CaCl2)
300 operator
120 cab
25 misc weight

I get 1695 pounds.

Blade probably 95# 100# at most
Blower probably 150/160

Still not 1900# with the blower. I think your numbers are a bit off.

TNTs CC 05-13-2018 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech (Post 453587)
800 tractor
140 w.w.
210 s.w
100 fluid (assuming not CaCl2)
300 operator
120 cab
25 misc weight

I get 1695 pounds.

Blade probably 95# 100# at most
Blower probably 150/160

Still not 1900# with the blower. I think your numbers are a bit off.

The all Sims steel ext cab and doors is easily over 300#. the quick hitch and hydraulics are about 90# I'd guess the blade at 70#, the front tires are filled and the blower goes about 250# I believe, it's a tank. I probably go 320# in reality too. :RedFace2:

:beerchug:

J-Mech 05-13-2018 10:38 PM

I've got a steel cab. They aren't 300#. I can pick it up.

Blowers aren't 250. I want to see a stamped scale ticket. I've been around way too many tractors. An IH 284's weight is 2050 without ballast. It's way bigger than your set up.

TNTs CC 05-13-2018 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech (Post 453596)
I've got a steel cab. They aren't 300#. I can pick it up.

Blowers aren't 250. I want to see a stamped scale ticket. I've been around way too many tractors. An IH 284's weight is 2050 without ballast. It's way bigger than your set up.

The standard length 3000 series Sims cab is 294# with soft doors. Mine is longer, has 2 more windows and steel doors with glass.

Read the sales flyer pdf link in the link listed below.

https://www.cabdepot.com/documentati.../Sales%20Flyer

Here's a link about the 353 blower weight. It's over 200# easy.

http://www.mytractorforum.com/19-cub...ow-blower.html

According to post #10 it weighs more the a 47" JD blower.

Even a smaller lighter duty 42" stamped 2 stage Agri-Fab snow blower weighs over 200#....


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