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cubby102 01-15-2017 03:58 AM

782 PTO replacement question
 
Now that the command is in the 782, I've put a few hours on it now and I have to say MUCH better than that old tired KT-17. I used the PTO off the KT and it's safe to say it's on its last leg so I'm looking into a new replacement.

I want to put a 6" on it instead of the stock smaller one. It would definitely drive the deck quicker which is what I'm shooting for. Do you all think the deck could take the extra RPM's? It's a 44 inch if that's going to make a difference but I plan on finding a nice 50 for it. I also know the belt size will need to be i creased to fit the larger PTO

Any and all opinions are welcome. Good or bad. Thanks!

Sam Mac 01-15-2017 06:42 AM

Get in touch with these guys. https://xtremeope.com/ Ask for Jason :beerchug:

Edit: This should be a bolt on replacement for the stock OEM clutch.
http://xtremeope.com/cub-cadet-717-3...FUiBswodB-8C2Q

R Bedell 01-15-2017 06:45 AM

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Do you all think the deck could take the extra RPM's?
IMHO....you should have no issues.......IF.......all the bearings, pulley's are in good shape, to include the Mule Drive.

cubby102 01-16-2017 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by R Bedell (Post 406464)
IMHO....you should have no issues.......IF.......all the bearings, pulley's are in good shape, to include the Mule Drive.

They all seem to be good but I'm not opposed to replacing them. Do you think the added speed would help in the performance of the deck?

cubby102 01-16-2017 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac (Post 406463)
Get in touch with these guys. https://xtremeope.com/ Ask for Jason :beerchug:

Edit: This should be a bolt on replacement for the stock OEM clutch.
http://xtremeope.com/cub-cadet-717-3...FUiBswodB-8C2Q

I have looked at these a little bit. Does this use the stock mounting cage? Or is a whole new unit in itself?

R Bedell 01-16-2017 05:42 AM

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Do you think the added speed would help in the performance of the deck?
Seems all the newer equipment these days are spinning their decks much faster than equipment of the 1990's and earlier. There has to be a reason for this. :bigthink:

cubby102 01-16-2017 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by R Bedell (Post 406589)
Seems all the newer equipment these days are spinning their decks much faster than equipment of the 1990's and earlier. There has to be a reason for this. :bigthink:

That was pretty much my thinking on the matter lol. Just wondering if anyone has done it with the 44 and 50 to this point. Didn't know if by design it just wouldn't get much better or not

Sam Mac 01-16-2017 06:43 AM

The link for the one I posted is a direct replacement with the stock size pulley. If you want to go to the larger pulley let me know and I'll find out what you need.

cubby102 01-16-2017 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac (Post 406592)
The link for the one I posted is a direct replacement with the stock size pulley. If you want to go to the larger pulley let me know and I'll find out what you need.

wouldn't mind going with a larger pulley to be honest. Do they make them in a 1" shafts so I don't need to use the sleeve?

Sam Mac 01-16-2017 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cubby102 (Post 406593)
wouldn't mind going with a larger pulley to be honest. Do they make them in a 1" shafts so I don't need to use the sleeve?

Yep, I'm doing pretty much the same thing for me 1864. I'm putting a CH22 in it and the engine has a 1" shaft so I'm going to use an Xtreme clutch for a 2185. I'll be back with the numbers.

cubby102 01-16-2017 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac (Post 406594)
Yep, I'm doing pretty much the same thing for me 1864. I'm putting a CH22 in it and the engine has a 1" shaft so I'm going to use an Xtreme clutch for a 2185. I'll be back with the numbers.

It's very much appreciated sam. Can be a pain looking up parts on my phone.

Sam Mac 01-16-2017 09:27 AM

I've been talking to Jason about our clutch replacements. They won't sell a large diameter pulley for a 782 because of the over speeding of the deck for liability reasons so if you decide to do it anyway it will be on you. I'm waiting for him to get back to me. One thing you will need to measure is your shaft length from the shoulder where it steps up in diameter to the end. My shaft is 2-11/16" X 1".

If you want more info PM me your phone #

cubby102 01-16-2017 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac (Post 406599)
I've been talking to Jason about our clutch replacements. They won't sell a large diameter pulley for a 782 because of the over speeding of the deck for liability reasons so if you decide to do it anyway it will be on you. I'm waiting for him to get back to me. One thing you will need to measure is your shaft length from the shoulder where it steps up in diameter to the end. My shaft is 2-11/16" X 1".

If you want more info PM me your phone #

That's completely understandable from a buisness side of things. I will send a pm with info shortly

goonpeden 01-17-2017 11:06 AM

Sleeve?
 
Hi Everyone! I got a 2072 basket case which is in the process of becoming a 982, I love the Red Cubs, but I have a 18 Command in it with a 1 inch outer shaft on the crank. I have 3 extra pto units that are for bigger shaft. What is this sleeve I have heard mentioned and where can I find one? Also, put in a 782 an Onan from a 318 J.D. with the bigger crank and 7 inch pulley and it mowed Awesome.....till the idler pulley for the belt tensioner melted. Replaced pulley then burned up clutch! Put 44 inch deck back on my 982! Although the Onans are expensive, I like the Torque, and the ride is alot better on the 982!

Sam Mac 01-17-2017 12:28 PM

Contact member Jeffinpa. You'll need a 1"ID X 1-1/8"OD bushing with a 1/4" keyway slot and a piece of 1/4" X 5/16" keyway stock.

cubby102 01-17-2017 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac (Post 406738)
Contact member Jeffinpa. You'll need a 1"ID X 1-1/8"OD bushing with a 1/4" keyway slot and a piece of 1/4" X 5/16" keyway stock.

^^^ nailed it. Jeff makes some good quality parts as well

Jeff in Pa 01-18-2017 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac (Post 406738)
Contact member Jeffinpa. You'll need a 1"ID X 1-1/8"OD bushing with a 1/4" keyway slot and a piece of 1/4" X 5/16" keyway stock.

Sam,
Would know the lengths of the bushing and key?

Thanks
Jeff

Sam Mac 01-19-2017 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff in Pa (Post 406849)
Sam,
Would know the lengths of the bushing and key?

Thanks
Jeff

He will need to measure the length of his shaft. Key stock can be cut when he gets ready to put the PTO on. Shaft on my engine is 2-11/16" long.

goonpeden 01-19-2017 09:25 AM

Thanks
 
Would like to Thank Everyone for pointing me in Jeff in Pa direction! He is making the bushing for me and now I can use PTO units I have instead of buying a new one! Thanks Again! Bill Peden.

Mike McKown 01-19-2017 10:54 AM

The only deck I have experience on over speeding is the 46" GT high vac deck. I did it only to see the result.

The result? The deck didn't cut any better but the noise level increased considerably. Annoyingly. It did allow me to slow the engine speed down to allow the deck speed back to normal but then, the engine was lugging a little.

Bad deal so I changed it back. Your results may vary.


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