Steering Column
 

I took the steering column out of the 4 digit to clean it up and to my surprise, this is what I found. It doesn't look home made on the dash, but it's all wrong, or is it?

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The metal tube section has been cut and only meets the bottom of the dash? I am stumped on this because it does not look like that dash has been jimmy rigged. But you can only use that steering column. Here it is but it's soaking in cleaner. Any ideas?

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Someone has hacked it up. Even the pics I have of the field test versions have a column that goes through the dash and a grommet just like the production versions. Yep..... you need another column.

Thanks Johnathon, but another column will not work? It won't fit through the dash? I tried with a spare I have. That piece that sits on top of the column takes up the difference where a normal column would just fit through the dash. But that dash is smaller then the column?:bash2::bash2::bash2:

Ronnie that piece looks like it was riveted in at 6 o'clock. Drill it out and it will fall out more than likely

:IH Trusted Hand:

What he said.you gotta wonder about those po mods

I agree, a weird po mod, yes drill it out.

Mike's right, take that piece out of the dash and get a new tube (and rubber) for your column and all should be well.

I guess I need to just take the dash completely out and look at the bottom of it. It doesn't look like it has rivets, but that one at 6 o'clock? Would one rivet hold what ever they did? I will never find a dash without the hole in the side like the later models.:bash2::bash2::bash2: I will drill it out today and see if it will come out. I wonder why they did this?

Mystery solved. Has 2 rivets. I hope that's all that's holding it. Good thing I didn't give that dash decal away.

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Drill them out and install the correct rubber grommet Ronnie, and replace that dash decal:biggrin2:

Looks like to me, the grommet will cover the lower one and a new decal will hide the other one.




Randy

Yes, and I have all the dash grommets and the decal. I just hope who ever made this mess didn't weld it also. I don't have a torch, and don't know what to do if it is?:bigthink:
Got it out. Drilled the 2 rivets and it fell out. Installed a new grommet in the dash, and now just have to put the steering column back in.

Drilled out the 2 rivets and that piece just fell off. Installed a new grommet in the dash, now just have to put the new steering column in.:biggrin2::biggrin2:

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Looking good Ronnie!

Now I need a clip. I have it marked in red. Where can I get some?


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OK, No answers? I got 2 of the retainer rings on the way from CCS, and a new thrust washer and washers. We will see if that makes this old girl seem like it has power steering. I just don't believe it? AND, Thanks to Todd for the picture. I have looked at them many times messing with this steering column mess.

Do you have the plastic ball bearing holders or are the bearing cups just stuffed full of ball bearings?

Bill

What's wrong with your snap rings Ronnie?

Why don't you post pics of your parts instead of using Todd's pics?

[QUOTE=J-Mech;397107]What's wrong with your snap rings Ronnie?


1.There were two of those plastic holders there. Can't I remove them, and just use the bearing cups? The plastic is old and worn.

2.I only have one, and need two.

3.Todd's picture is much better than any I have. And I did give Todd credit for his wonderful clear picture Johnathon.:biggrin2::biggrin2:

I think I deleted some ones question? Why do some of these columns have the plastic piece for the ball bearings? Is it best to use them or do away with them and just use the retaining cup? The ones I have are all cracked and look pretty bad.

Don't misunderstand me Ronnie, I would just like to see what you have to work with for diagnostic and understanding purposes. It's fine to use other people's pics.... I just want to see what yours looks like.

FWIW, all the parts are available still. It is best to use the bearing seperator (plastic pieces). The purpose is to keep all the balls equally spaced apart so the load stays even. If you pack it full of balls, the balls have to not only roll on the top and bottom race, but also on the side of the ball next to it which creates drag. Drag makes friction, friction creates wear and also makes it harder to steer. Will it be a noticeable difference?? Likely not, but the fact is it will drag and wear. I'd order a bearing kit, or new plastic bearing separators. You can do whatever you want.

I will take some pictures later and put them up so you guys can see.:biggrin2:

OK, here's what I have. The 2 plastic pieces and the cups and bearings. I don't have the retaining rings? Should I use the plastic holders or just the cups? I put one in the bottom just to see how they would help?

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I see your balls are not in a package.
Originally there was no plastic bearing cages,so the balls rolled fine without them in the cups.
The newer cups are shaped differently,I think you do not use the clips you posted on Zippy's pictures.

Going to muddy the water a little more Ronnie...
"IF" you put the balls in the cages, and they don't just fall out they'll be fine. Plus without the cages, they are more difficult to install.
Your tractor, your call.:beerchug:
My 2 cents. If you're worried about them being worn out, just order up new and be done with it...
Heck, if you got it, spend it, if you don't make it look like you do.:biggrin2:

That's why I put one of them in, to show the difference. I don't want to use the plastic cages, so I can do away with them? Also, Lew, if you put a little grease in the cup before you set the ball bearings in there, they are much easier to install, and if I don't use something, the bottom cup will just fall off? But when the bottom screw is in, of course it won't. So, do I need the retaining rings? I still need to take the whole thing to my wire brush and clean it up. So the question is, I can do away with the plastic holders and only use the metal cups with retaining rings?

I did not know this, that's why I originally commented. I also did not know that was a borrowed Todd pic. It sounds like you can do away with them, but you may need a few extra balls to fill in the space the retainer took up so the load is still distributed equally and keeps it from binding.

Bill

Well, It looks like I don't have any more balls or bearings? I must have thrown them out, so I will have to use the plastic holders. So my only question is, do they sit like I have them in the picture? And do I need retaining clips?

Ronnie, why are you against using the plastic holders? They work well... They only fit one way, and NO you don't need the clips.

You have the retainer upside down in the pic. The retainer and balls should nest in the bearing cup. I don't think you need the clips, there is no load on them after it's assembled.

Bill

Yes, you have the plastic cage in backwards.

The cages you have there look to be in very good condition.

If you do not use the bearing cages, you need 10 balls on top and 10 on the bottom.

You need to closely inspect the cups, they get tiny little cracks in them where the balls ride, if there is any sign of cracking they should be replaced.

As mentioned above, if you use new cups, the clips are of no use, the holes in the new cups are bigger than the clips.

FWIW, I can't say never, but I don't ever remember putting a column back together without using new cups.

And finally, someone may want to correct me, but I believe that if you use new cups, you need to use the cages, the new cups are shaped differently than the old ones and the balls tend to zig-zag in the cup, and leave a gap on one side.

Thanks guys,
I have it put in with the plastic holders turned the right way now. It is back together, just need to put it in the 4 digit. The only question I have is, are the metal cups different than the ones without the plastic cradles? I can't see any?

The only difference that I'm aware of is, the cups that were used when these machines were being made are different than the cups that they sell now.

I bought the old style cups from my local Case/IH dealer as recently as 6 or 7 (?) years ago maybe.

So if I use the old cups, it should be fine? I have the ones these cradles were in, and I can't see any difference from the ones I took out of the other column?
Remember, I am using parts from 2 steering columns? Here's a picture I stole from the net. It shows the retaining rings with the plastic cradles?

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I finally got the 4 digit's steering straitened out. Took both out of the garage to clean it up and decided to grab the camera. I'm done for the fall and waiting on winter when I will have to dig the 124 out.

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Looks great Ronnie, man that cart is in nice clean original condition, I wonder where you got it from? It looks awefully familiar.:bigthink::biggrin2::beerchug:

Lol, I bet it does? I tried to pull that shipping sticker off and see what a mess I made?

Yep, sure does, I was thinking the same thing.

Here's another good picture of the other Original I just finished. My favorite. One of my neighbors stopped by when he saw the tractors outside, and told me he has a 1961 Cub with dual wheels he wants to sell???:bigthink:

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