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AKroadrunner 09-11-2016 12:42 AM

102 PTO Inspection
 
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Well I got my PTO off the 102 and need a little advice as to what I should look for while it's apart. The bearing on the shaft seems to spin freely for as rusty as it looks. Any tips are appreciated.

Thanks,

Steve

J-Mech 09-11-2016 02:12 AM

Was it not working?
Looks like it has had little use...

AKroadrunner 09-11-2016 10:10 AM

It was stuck engaged. The wear button was gone and the thrust button was worn to a point because of the missing wear button. I just picked up this machine a few weeks ago and am going through it to get everything working.

finsruskw 09-11-2016 11:38 AM

I'd go through it.
Then you will know for certain just what you have got.

J-Mech 09-11-2016 01:12 PM

Take it apart and post pics. May have not been adjusted right.
Rear pressure plate looks new, and the clutch disk does too. Probably doesn't need rebuilt. Just adjusted. Take it apart anyway and clean it all up. Post some pics...

Jeff in Pa 09-11-2016 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech (Post 391636)
Take it apart and post pics. May have not been adjusted right.
Rear pressure plate looks new, and the clutch disk does too. Probably doesn't need rebuilt. Just adjusted. Take it apart anyway and clean it all up. Post some pics...

In his other thread he posted a pic of the thrust button. It is TOAST. It's worn to a point from not having the wear button.

At minimum he needs a new thrust button in addition to the wear button on the arm.

http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...0&postcount=21

J-Mech 09-11-2016 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff in Pa (Post 391686)
In his other thread he posted a pic of the thrust button. It is TOAST. It's worn to a point from not having the wear button.

At minimum he needs a new thrust button in addition to the wear button on the arm.

http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...0&postcount=21

:bigeyes::bigeyes::bigeyes:

Oh.... yeah. It's toast!

But the clutch may still be good....

Looks like he needs to get in touch with you Jeff!! :beerchug:

AKroadrunner 09-11-2016 11:28 PM

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The thrust button and wear button are shot new ones are on the way now. I took apart the PTO and there was lots of rust. It looks like the thing must have sat in the rain for years. The pressure plate was rusted stuck to the fiber friction disc. I'm assuming this is why my PTO was always stuck in the engaged position. Can I just clean up the rust and reuse these parts from the look of things?
Thanks again guys!! You guys are a great source of knowledge!!

J-Mech 09-11-2016 11:37 PM

Looks like quite a bit of the clutch material stuck to the pressure plate. Might want to get a new disk. The pulley and the pressure plate can be cleaned up and reused. :beerchug:

Looks like you just need to buy a kit.

finsruskw 09-12-2016 08:58 AM

Touch up the plates, easily done on a belt grinder.
So they have a cross hatch pattern, like a cyl wall when it's honed.
Do it right and it will give you years of service when properly adjusted.

Jeff in Pa 09-12-2016 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by finsruskw (Post 391748)
Touch up the plates, easily done on a belt grinder.
So they have a cross hatch pattern, like a cyl wall when it's honed.
Do it right and it will give you years of service when properly adjusted.

I face them on a lathe so they remain flat.

If you have a decent file, they could be flat filed to remove the stuck disk material.

vr4Legacy 09-12-2016 07:49 PM

As mentioned, get a rebuild kit. That way you have the adjustment tool.

Here are the parts from my 149 rebuild, I had the old style PTO, so I think the parts are all the same. I'd replace the locking collar and bearing too, they're cheap, why not while you're in there. Along with the thrust button you already ordered, and a nice brass button from Jeff.

I also replaced the throw out levers, mine were pretty rusted in the middle and one was broke. While you're in there and have it apart, it's worth considering.

You should be good to go :ThumbsUp:

http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...0&postcount=44
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From CubCadet.com
1 - 759-3489 - P.T.O. Clutch and Brake Kit
3 - IH-473478-R2 - Throw Out Lever

Aftermarket
1 - IH-60071-C91 BEARING & L/COLLAR
I'm looking at this one
<link is dead> just search the p/n in e-bay

AKroadrunner 09-12-2016 09:39 PM

Jeff do you have a link to your store?

Jeff in Pa 09-12-2016 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AKroadrunner (Post 391848)
Jeff do you have a link to your store?

http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=20875

Those are some of the parts I make.

Jeff

AKroadrunner 09-12-2016 11:55 PM

Thanks!! Those sure look like nice quality parts. Next time I'll check with you before I order those prices are better than what I already paid.

AKroadrunner 10-02-2016 11:13 PM

Jeff I need to order 2 of those brass wear buttons. Where can I go about doing that?

Jeff in Pa 10-03-2016 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AKroadrunner (Post 394592)
Jeff I need to order 2 of those brass wear buttons. Where can I go about doing that?

PM sent with info
Thanks
Jeff

drglinski 10-03-2016 07:40 PM

Rebuild time! Thankfully there are still parts.

AKroadrunner 10-23-2016 11:18 PM

So here's my latest dilemma... I pulled apart and rebuilt the PTO and have noticed it takes what seems to be excessive pressure on the thrust button to disengage the PTO. It's already wearing into my wear button with only being disengaged a few times. Is my torque not correct on the bolts on the PTO? Any tips are appreciated.

Thanks!!

J-Mech 10-23-2016 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AKroadrunner (Post 397329)
So here's my latest dilemma... I pulled apart and rebuilt the PTO and have noticed it takes what seems to be excessive pressure on the thrust button to disengage the PTO. It's already wearing into my wear button with only being disengaged a few times. Is my torque not correct on the bolts on the PTO? Any tips are appreciated.

Thanks!!


Two questions:

1.) Did you use the tool to adjust the fingers on the clutch like you are supposed to? There isn't a torque for those bolts... they are to be adjusted to a certain height.

2.) Do you have a PTO driven implement on? The clutch should be left in the ON position when no implement is attached. This style of clutch needs "drag" to keep if from turning. IIRC, it is even stated in the owners manual.

vr4Legacy 10-25-2016 07:22 PM

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As J-Mech mentioned, you adjust using the tool supplied with the rebuild kit. Did you get a kit and an adjustment gauge?

More details are in the tech section

http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9

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Originally Posted by J-Mech (Post 397341)
IIRC, it is even stated in the owners manual.

You did. :ThumbsUp:


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