582 Engine swap
 

Story time... I inherited a 582 that was my grandfathers. (I have a lot of fond memories that include this tractor) He had rebuilt the engine at least one time but possibly more. It ran fine for about a year after I received it but 2 seasons ago the engine slowed and then stopped. I finally got the time to push it into my garage yesterday and began going over the basics.
- Starter is fine (pulled from engine and it runs)
- Pulled the heads and other than a good build-up of carbon they and the cylinder walls look good
- I am unable to turn over the engine

Options:
- Complete rebuild (from what I read this is not worth it)
- Tear down engine in hopes that its an easy fix (not sure if this is an option)
- Swap with used similar engine


Questions that I have:
- Is there anything that I can try to get the engine to turn (without rebuilding)?
- What tractors have the below list of engines that would be best to shop for as a donor?
- Other than craigslist and ebay what are good sites to find engines/tractors locally?


If I do an engine swap here are the easiest engines that I have read about to complete the swap:
- Kohler magnum 20 (m20)
- Kohler magnum 18 (m18)

- Craftsman gt6000 (horizontal shaft)

- Kohler command 18

- Cub 2185, 1864, 1811, 1810, 1806

- Kohler command 25




Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide.

Gran pa prolly would of liked to see a mag 18 bolt in it, or a series II, and they are around, just not as plentiful as they used to be.
Those engines are as near to original as you can get.
Others here are liking to do conversions to later model overheads V twins.

If it slowed then stopped, it was prolly from lack of oil to the rods on the crank, and it seized, if done @ speed they almost always holed the block with a broken rod.
That is typical of series 1 engines, and they are really not worth rebuilding, and most internal parts are NLA.
they had a lousy oiling system and it cost Kohler a lot of warranty replacements and it's reputation nearly.
Myself, I like the M-18's/or series II, a true opposed engine is smooth and torquey.
Fuel usage and emission requirements killed them.
The M-18's were the last and best of the series.

Just found a Briggs & Stratton 18hp. - 2 cylinder opposed Lawn Tractor Engine, model # 422437

Has anyone had experience with this engine or know if it is easy to swap?

Thanks

She shut down at idle. I did check the oil level before starting but like you said the oiling system is not so good on that engine...

I am leaning towards the M18 or M20 if I can find one for a decent price!

Thanks

Is it an IH built unit or CCC?

It's an IH Cub

Not sure but thinking it was mentioned here an M-20 has a 1-1/4" PTO shaft.
and the electric clutches are very expensive and not very popular.
yours is 1-1/8"
I'm sure others will be along to confirm that or not.:bigthink:

Your 582 came with a 16hp briggs eng. orig.,not a kohler

Now that is a whole different ballgame.
I've not worked on briggs like that.
yer on your own.
Sorry I posted wrong info.:BangPC:

If it were mine I'd slap a k-series in it, but that's me and I have a spare on the work bench! Lol

Unfortunately I don't have too much spare time to devote to this project so it needs to be pretty easy.

Yes the cub has a 16HP B&S

cub
 

Hello, if you can find a mag 18 out of a Sears/roper it will have a 1" crank. Your pto off the briggs will bolt right on to the motor it is 1". It will be a little long but a spacer will fix that. I know how to fix the other end too. Mike btdt:beer2:

So the Kohler Mag 18 is the easiest in your mind to do the swap?

So this guy sells a 18 HP Vangaurd as a kit that he claims to be a direct replacement for the 682/782. Don't know much about this series but maybe it's an option. Might be worth looking into.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/18hp-Briggs-...3D131640950341

That's pretty nice that it's a direct replacement but I can't afford a new motor.

Maybe you cqn afford the conversion kit minus the engine? Will he sell the kit separate from the engine?

I was looking but didn't see anything about just the kit.

What are the thoughts on this one?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/282157495901

Will just found a gt5000 and a gt6000 for sale locally both have a 18 HP kohler engine

Edit: it was a vertical shaft

cub
 

You need to find an older one with the horiz kohler mag 18. Mike

Well just bought a 16hp Briggs V-Twin engine out of a cub 1641. I hope I made a good buy since its about a 2hr drive away.

If it's not too late, here's an ad for a Kohler M20 in western Pa.

http://youngstown.craigslist.org/grd/5827915849.html

Thanks, but I'm in SEPA picked this one up on eBay and am heading to the Poconos to pick this up this afternoon.

If it's out of a 1641, try to get the plate that the engine bolts to along with the complete drive shaft and muffler.

How about the ignition switch too?

Shouldn't need the switch. The Briggs ignition was magneto just like the Vanguard he's getting.

I don't know why he would need the driveshaft unless just to sell or save for future projects. 582 is gear drive.... that shaft isn't going to work with the clutch. :bigthink:

Just curious.... question for the OP:

You said this needs to be a simple install. There's quite a bit of difference in length between the old Briggs and the Vanguard. You do realize this isn't going to just bolt up right? Your probably going to have to make a new driveshaft.

I wanted to thank everyone here for there help! Sorry for the hiatus, right after picking up the Vanguard engine everyone in my house got really sick and then I got busy at work.

So long story short. I was able to get the Vanguard engine installed in my 582 using a 3 pin drive plate that has the alignment bearing installed. Along with that I purchased an adapter plate that also made-up the difference in length so the front PTO lines up. (I can take some pictures if there is an interest)

The wiring was pretty straight forward (except everything is one the wrong side) with the exception of the fuel solenoid (just learned what that was after trying to start the new engine with no success) The choke cable was long enough but the throttle cable was way too short (hopefully will get a longer one today).

Thank you again for all your help on this project! I learned more about my Cub than I thought I would ever need to know.

Forgot to post a quick clip of my 582 shortly before getting some snow to plow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwaF...8&spfreload=10

Since the video I replaced the plugs and now you can't stop her!

Thanks everyone!