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I bought this car new in 1999 when my son was 1 1/2. 99 Roush Mustang 630hp. Many car show wins, upset corvette and camaro owners and magazine articles later I was ready to sell. My son was very upset he is now turning 18 and he now tells me he always thought the car would be his he is very attached to car. In today's world it is very difficult for someone my age to connect with someone his age. I know nothing about video games and social media and really do not want to. He does show a little interest in the cubs but that's really my thing. So after many days thinking this through I have decided to give him the 99 for graduation. Before I hear this is like giving a loaded gun to a kid let me clarify. The car will now have two tunes that can be run one full tune and one very limited tune. He gets the limited tune I get the tuner which will be locked in my safe. He will only be able to drive the car with me. I also just ordered a new 2016 Mustang GT That will get a Roush phase 2 Supercharger 727hp. Hopefully we can now enjoy the hobby together for years to come. I am now planning a trip for us in the fall to go run the Ohio mile has any one ever been there?

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Nice mustang. Glad you are passing this one down to your son. I don't think you will be disappointed keeping it in the family. He is getting a awesome car! Hope you both enjoy the cars and the adventures ahead.
Our daughter had the very tame version, same color, same year. Her first car, she bought her self and she loved it.
Regards,
Chris

Nice lemon peeler.:beerchug:

Thinking more on this topic!
I got in enough trouble with a 1969 Rambler American, six cylinder three on the tree.
I think even the de-tuned version of the 99 Roush would be a handful? You might want to give him some driving lessons on just what the car can do in a empty parking lot near you. Have him take a extra set of underware just in case!:)
Just sayin:)
Regards,
Chris

I agree he will be taught how to drive over a period time. The problem is I was not a good example he grew up knowing that I did a lot of street racing. ( I don't anymore ). Eventually I will take him to the track and let him try it there but only a little at a time. The tune will limit top speed as well as acceleration.

I highly recommend that you look into something like the BMW car club driving school. I used to instruct for them and they are outstanding when it comes to teaching car control.
https://www.bmwcca.org/events/hpde

Nice car.

I always had to work for what I wanted.

What did your son do to deserve you giving him a car like that? :bigthink:

Really????

Yes, really. Why isn't that a valid question? My dad never gave me anything. I couldn't even drive his 3rd vehicle. Had to buy my own. I don't plan to buy my kids a car, but I'll gladly help them repair it. I'm sure the OP has worked hard for what he has and I'd like to know why he decided to give his son the car. Obviously, the son wants it, and it's the OPs to give (which is fine with me). I personally think too many parents give too much, and now we have a generation of takers. This isn't a ratty old car that needs a restoration. This is a valuable machine that I don't think an 18 year old has a need for. Pay for college and he can get a good job. Then, when he's made his own money and wants a hot rod, he can buy one.

If you don't want to hear opposing views, don't post it on the internet.

I'm fine with opposing veiws I just don't think it's the right time for your "my dad never gave me anything" attitude, obviously he feels his son deserves it (for reasons he shouldnt have to explain to you) so it's not really your place to question it.

Jonathan, over the years I have read many of your post and the impression I get is that you are condisending to many of the members that ask questions or do things that you deem silly or not correct. It seems that you feel all should know as much as you and do things exactly as you do. This current post follows that form. I would guess that the majority of members on this board are not mechanics and these tractors are their hobby not career. So the whole point of this board is for people who know more to help those that are trying to learn more and not make them feel bad for asking what you might think is a silly question. Now as far as your post about the car. I don't think the question is whether or not my son deserves the car. But for shits and giggles I will answer. A year and a half ago I had emergency open heart surgery and coded on the table and was in a coma for 5 days. I was gone ,done, bye bye but thank god they got me back. Since then this kid has taken over many of the things that I did. He basically cares for our 5 acre property, is a straight A student and works in our store 6 days a week. So I don't care if he deserves it I want him to have it now. Now when I can see him enjoy it and do things with him with it rather than when I am gone. I'm also not sure what your father gave you has anything to do with what you give your children.

Charles

I'm not going to get into an argument about your reasons to give your son the Mustang. He sounds like a grounded young man. My concern is that I don't want to find out that he became another statistic of an inexperienced driver in an high power car. Why do I say that well Mustangs are notorious for trailing throttle over steer. What is Trailing Throttle Over Steer? It's when you lift off the gas with the wheels turned and the weight transfers to the front wheels causing the rear wheels to loose grip and causing the car to go into a spin. It takes time to master the technique to control it. It's not a normal instinct to give the car some gas in a corner when you think your going too fast. This is all part of being able to balance a car with the throttle. Think about your son out some night on a wet road going a little to fast entering a corner, the first thing that he will do is to lift off the gas big time, the nice big V8 is going to say OK and try to slow the rear wheels. Now the weight will go to the fronts and the rears will loose grip and your son will spin off the road. Don't think it can happen, my own know it all daughter who was not going to have anything to do with going to a BMW drivers school (wasn't cool) did exactly what I'm describing and put a Dodge Neon into a telephone pole. Totaled the car, she ended up in the emergency room with a bunch of glass embedded in her arm and wrist. She got lucky, and remember this was only a Neon. She has since done a couple schools and has told me on more that one occasion that the schools have probably saved her from other crashes. Just my 2 cents but I would like to see you give your son a LOW powered car and have him learn the dynamics of car control before you turn the Mustang over. Dead is forever. Please think about what I have said.

Sam I appreciate your concern and there is much more to the story. I have been through multiple racing schools and have been driving high power mustangs for 30 years. I have auto crossed as well as drag raced for years. I am all to aware of the dangers. When I say I am giving him the car it is really more symbolic than anything at this point. He will never have this car out on his own. He has a daily driver. This is strictly a hobby car for shows, now and maybe the track when he is ready which is far in the future. We will share an interest and more waxing and sitting at shows than anything. The 99 has 18,242 miles on it so you can see it is not driven much. I thought about this long and hard. When he started showing interest in my guns I got him a membership to the gun club and we started shooting now his curiosity is gone. The situation is far from me putting a bow on the car and throwing him the keys.

Just wanted to express my concerns. Auto Crossing is a good thing for him to learn some car control (killing a few cones is cheap) and I highly recommend it as a first step, then some driver schools. For what it's worth I did Auto Cross, then DE's, then Time Trials, then I got into teaching and finally Road Racing. Holler if I can help. :beerchug:

Edit: Yours truly playing auto crosser many years ago. :biggrin2:

Edit: list of some of the car clubs that I instructed for.
http://nasane.com/
http://www.scda1.com/
http://www.comscc.org/
http://www.cartct.com/
http://www.ctvalley.org/
http://www.boston-bmwcca.org/
http://www.njbmwcca.org/
http://www.whitemtn-bmwclub.org/
http://www.gvc-bmwcca.org/
http://empirestateregion.com/
http://trackmasters.com/ (senior instructor)

Sounds reasonable to me. It's a known fact time passes slower the faster you go, Special Relativity tell us so :beerchug:

Nice car and a wonderful gift. I agree with Sam.....your son will benifit with on hands experience in the proper venue. There are many road course tracks (and ovals) throughout the country that offer learning programs where you can bring your own ride . Good luck and be safe!

Charles, that's quite the gift for your son. I hope the two of you have many great times with it and your new car.:beerchug:

He sounds like a heck of a good kid. And he did not become that great kid without a great family and great parental input.
Congratulations.

Quite a legacy car to hand down, wow. Congrats

See. An opposing view!
I have no problem with your opinion.
Honestly Tim, I think your being hipocritical. Jumping me for disagreeing..... because you disagree with me.




Thank you for skipping the topic to jump on the "your always mean and condescending" bandwagon.

No, I don't think everyone should do as I do. That's really not my goal at all. If you take the time to study the forum, and not focus on a few instances, you will see in the tech section several write ups I've done and thread after thread and post after post where I have went above and beyond to help people. With nearly 10K posts it's hard to think that I only hang out here to be an ass.

Now, what my dad did "give" me is important. He taught me how to farm. The value of a hard days work. The importance of God. To have integrity. How to lead, be a man, and have ownership in what I do and say. He bought all of us things, at birthdays and Christmas, but outside of that.... nothing really. He did buy me my first gun for my 8th grade graduation.
Now, I worked on the farm, but dad also had a Cub Cadet he let me use to mow yards until I was old enough to drive the big tractors. Now, here's the cool part.... He paid for the fuel and repairs. Learning business came later when I rented my own ground to farm. But while I was young, he let me keep the money I earned. So, Tim if you think this is some "boo hoo my daddy never gave me anything" your wrong. I'm proud of the fact my dad didn't buy me anything..... because I bought what I wanted myself. I even paid my way through college.

That said, I really don't care one way or the other if you give him the car, Charles. And I'm definitely not saying anything about whether your a good or bad parent, or whether your kid is a good kid. Everybody here just totally ignored my point.....

My point is, I think this society as a whole thinks that we should "reward" kids..... for whatever. I'm sure your kid is a good kid. I'm sure he's a GREAT kid.

My opinion is, you should have sold the car and paid for his college. But, maybe your going to do that too, I don't know. I just think there would have been other ways to show how you feel than giving him a $$$ car that you won't even let him drive. To me, that's worse..... I would want to own a car I can't drive. Whatever. I'll bow out of this.

Jonathan the mere fact that there is a bandwagon to jump on proves my point. I simply call them as I read them. The fact that you have made many post does not change the tone of a lot of your post. You may not intend to be mean or condescending but that is the way it is perceived. Many people never understand that perception is everything.

The irony here is that it seems we came up in a very similar way and share many of the same views. My kids do not have Candy asses and work for what they get. The one place we may differ is I learned a lesson that many don't until it is too late. That is that life is fragile and short. Again the car will not be a daily driver it is a hobby car, a hobby that we can enjoy together. He will be able to drive the car in appropriate situations for his skill set. The reality is the car will still be way more mine than his for now but slowly be given to him over time. Thanks all for the complimentary posts.

Sam I don't see any Supers in your list anymore "What's up with that"?

Sold them. I'm looking for a 2284 or an 1864. At the moment I have enough toys. :beerchug:

I think it's cool your giving him the car. I do understand the safety concerns, you seem to have that covered.

When my (3) kids reached driving age, I always helped them "build" their car / truck.

How nice it turned out was up to them and how hard they wanted to work on it. I kept a whiteboard in the shop, (it's still there today!) Tasks that they needed to complete were listed out, they could see how far it would be to the end of the project.

My youngest watched the older two, he really seemed to learn from watching how thiers went.

Here is a few pictures of his truck; (OBTW; I paid for his college, first 4 years, he is now an engineer for GM)

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Mine and his together;
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Looks like a couple of nice trucks despite the fact that they are GM. LOL:beerchug:

Thanks, his is gone. That 383HT motor was a little thirsty for a college kid. I'm still driving the old Duramax, 327,000 miles.

The time we spent together building his was priceless.

He's moving into his own condo, engaged to get married 2017.

That truck may be gone, but the memories from building it, fixing it and taking it to car shows, will live on for a long time.

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Nice looking Mustang and trucks. It's very special that you each have something to share with your sons. :beerchug:

MWShaw....since your son is an engineer at GM and obviously has hands on experience which would lead to common sense designs....could you have him find the obviously non-hands on engineer that designed the headlight bulb replacement strategy on my wife's acadia and smack him upside the head for me?!?!?! Replacing a bulb should not include removing the plastic wheel well and blood on your forearms!

I'll pass it along!

He's currently driving a 2012 Chevy Sonic Turbo, we are putting a new water pump in it next weekend, that is up near the top of his bitch list.

(No, it is not covered under warranty, it has a rebuilt title, just as all my other vehicles do.)

My older son and Daughter both have Acadias as well, looks like a fun job.

Quite different than the 03 silverado which takes 30 seconds and no tools from topside.

Had to pull bumper and headlight to replace high beam bulbs on the spouse's Mazda.

Nice Mustang and trucks. My daughter and I bought a 1990 Mustang GT 5.0 5 speed in 2000. Still have it. It's a nice weather weekend only car. Let her drive it at the track once. Boy did I catch heck from the grand parents.

Now your bringing back memories. I had 4 Fox body mustangs. Back in those days we were spanking Z28s , Grand Nationals and a few GTAs.

Very weird thread, like a tree with a 1/2 dozen different branches.

Very nice car. If you can afford to give it to him and maintain some lingering parental control that would diminish over time as he matures and you educate on its operation so be it.

High HP cars are only a little more dangerous than regular autos in my opinion. A friend of mine's son got off work one afternoon and carried a work buddy to get a part for his car. Decided to drive a little too fast on the way back, had a wreck, his buddy died and now he is pulling time for manslaughter---kid was in his early 20's.

I got hit head on this past summer by a little old Honda civic, running maybe 35mph. It totaled my BRAND new, 4 door, 4wd full size truck. I was pissed until after a few minutes I saw what was left of the other car. Somehow the teenager and her sibling walked away from it. I don't think there was a useable part left on that car. Sucks to deal with injuries and insurance crap, but the fact that all parties walked away put it in perspective.

Just last Sat. I had to have a come-to-Jesus meeting with my son regarding his 4 wheeler. He has two speeds, stop and wide open. That's fine if the road is flat smooth straight and clear. We had very one sided discussion about slowing down for turns and that running into things will not result in merely needing a couple a bandaids. I have not removed the speed limiter on his 4 wheeler yet, dreading somewhat doing so.

I don't know what direction I am babbling other than to say what many of you older fellows already know, this parenting thing doesn't get easier the older the kids get.

Amen, the worst thing by far in my life is waiting for my kids to come home when they are out driving.

I hope that is some desolate, private, country dirt road.

It's your car and he's your son. No one on here can/ is entitled to tell you how and in what ways you should be raising him, or what you should be giving him.

My dad bought a pickup right before I was born and it was the same model year of the year of my birth. He keeps vehicles forever and when it was time for me to be driving on my own from work to school, he got a new car (mom got a new car and he got her vehicle) and the truck went to me. Not nearly as nice as your mustang however...but it's something I'll always take with me. The truck was worn out and long gone, but I'll never forget riding in it and then making it my own.

Roads on our farm, should have been clearer.:beerchug:

Thats exactly why I am building a 79!! A couple screwdrivers 9/16 wrench and socket a 1/2" wrench and socket can pretty much take the truck apart. That and I can camp out under the hood!!

I just read the original post to this thread, so I just kind of got the cliff notes you might say.....

Why would anyone fault you? Your car, your son and you are being a responsible parent, not to mention sharing a hobby with your son for some real bonding. I say, "Right On! Give them something to do outside of all those electronic games."

BTW: Nice Mustang. Who among us wouldn't have liked to have that opportunity when we were 18?

Cub Cadet 123

Yeah, I certainly understood the concerns over safety, but did not get how what someone's father gave them had anything to what I give my son. I guess that is what makes America great. We are all entitled to our opinions regardless of whether we know the facts of a situation or not. :BlahBlah::BlahBlah::BlahBlah:


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I sure wish I would have kept my 1979 Trans Am to be able to give it to my son! Hind sight 20/20! Nice Mustang! My son would be drooling all over it! :beerchug: