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bigdog0u81 01-27-2016 07:35 PM

2130 stuck in netural
 
My cc2130 ags is stuck in neutral. What could have caused this to happen?

Sam Mac 01-27-2016 07:40 PM

Something in the linkage is messed up, something in the trans is messed up, something in the clutch pack is messed up. Hard to say from here. Your going to need to do a little more research for us to give you a good answer.

bigdog0u81 01-27-2016 07:46 PM

Drove it some yesterday and was fine parked it in the garage now it is stuck. its been in the 20's here and the garage isn't heated I'm wondering if something didn't freeze.

Sam Mac 01-27-2016 07:49 PM

Take a look underneath. :bigthink:

J-Mech 01-27-2016 07:51 PM

Did the belt come off? ....... :bigthink:

Sam Mac 01-27-2016 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech (Post 361515)
Did the belt come off? ....... :bigthink:

2130 is shaft drive, no belt.

bigdog0u81 01-27-2016 08:12 PM

Will investigate some more tomorrow.

J-Mech 01-27-2016 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac (Post 361518)
2130 is shaft drive, no belt.

All those pulleys in the OP's other thread made me think it was a belt drive.

Sam Mac 01-27-2016 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech (Post 361530)
All those pulleys in the OP's other thread made me think it was a belt drive.

Nope that was just for the snow blower. Took one look at that design and decided that I'm glad it's not my machine. Only MTD could come up with something that messed up. I feel for the owner.

bigdog0u81 01-31-2016 03:50 PM

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Ok so I took apart the back today since its nice out today. I removed the rod off of the transmission lever and it wont budge at all what is the next step? The arm in the 4th pic with the shims moves freely.

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bigdog0u81 01-31-2016 04:12 PM

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Also I found a guy selling a rear for $50 He said it was from a 2130 but not sure.

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bigdog0u81 01-31-2016 06:32 PM

From what I've searched the rear that he has is hydro. If that is correct can I swap that into my tractor?

Sam Mac 02-01-2016 09:00 AM

If the other trans is a Hydro it won't work. Thought you said it was from a 2130? 2130 is an AGS a 2135 is a Hydro. PM me your e-mail and I'll send you the service manual.

Leadslingingdaddy 02-01-2016 09:08 AM

Looks as if it needs this also...

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...4737_200594737

Sam Mac 02-01-2016 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadslingingdaddy (Post 362146)

Randy

It hurts when coffee comes out of my nose. :LMAO1::ROTF1::ROTF2:

Leadslingingdaddy 02-01-2016 11:31 AM

Especially when spiked with a kick..... : )

bigdog0u81 02-01-2016 07:44 PM

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Does this look like an AGS rear?

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Sam Mac 02-01-2016 07:55 PM

Yep, that is an AGS rear.

bigdog0u81 02-01-2016 08:07 PM

Ok the when I googled the number on it I got some conflicting information. Anything to check for when looking at these used?

Sam Mac 02-01-2016 08:13 PM

Big Dog

Let me start by saying I am not trying to insult you in any way. I don't know nor is it any of my business what you paid for your tractor and snow blower. I don't know what you plan on doing with it. That said here's the deal, the 2130 is not a heavy duty Cub Cadet, it is a low end MTD that was sold by Cub Cadet. It was designed primarily as a lawn mower. The transmission is no longer made because it was so poorly designed. I'm not trying to burst your bubble but I'd hate to see you spend any serious $$$$ on it buying a used tranny that may fail shortly after you install it. You may be better to cut your losses and just part out what you have and find something better suited to your needs. Again not trying to ruin your day just trying to help save you more aggravation and expense. Holler if I can help. :beerchug:

bigdog0u81 02-01-2016 08:20 PM

Plan is to fix it and sell it. I gave $350 for it with the blower. Don't need it for the snow I can get a walk behind for that. But do need a riding mower for the yard . So you wouldn't spend $50 for the rear ?

Sam Mac 02-01-2016 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog0u81 (Post 362208)
Ok the when I googled the number on it I got some conflicting information. Anything to check for when looking at these used?

Sorry, you must have posted as I was typing. Let me put it this way, I have done a bunch of repowers into older Cubs and my favorite organ donor is the Cub 2160, basically the same tractor as what you have except that it had a 16HP V Twin Vanguard engine. Why is it my favorite? Because the AGS tranny's went out so early that the engines were always low hour units. There is no way to check them. Most of the problems are with the stupid forward reverse wet clutch pack design. You'll find that the clutch will slip. Only way to test is in a running machine. If it slips going up hill in high gear it's toast. If they are working correctly you can stop on a steep hill and take off in high gear and it won't slip, it should lug the engine down just like if you were in a car with a manual and were trying to start out in high gear.

If you insist on fixing your tractor, you would probably be better off rebuilding the tranny that you have.

Again sorry to give you the bad news but it is what it is.

Sam Mac 02-01-2016 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog0u81 (Post 362211)
Plan is to fix it and sell it. I gave $350 for it with the blower. Don't need it for the snow I can get a walk behind for that. But do need a riding mower for the yard . So you wouldn't spend $50 for the rear ?

Man you and I are on a roll when it comes to posting as the other is typing.

I'm glad to hear that you only paid $350 for it. No I wouldn't spend $50 for the rear for it. I would disassemble it and sell the engine, the PTO, the mower deck, the snow blower, wheels, hood, and every little part to recoup what you paid. Then I would look for something better suited for your needs.

Please take the time to ask for opinions here for a suitable replacement. If you take the time you'll find that the real Cub Cadets are pretty much all pre 1996 vintage. Don't let the age scare you. I have one that is a 1962 and it runs as good as a new one.

Again we are here to help. :beerchug:

bigdog0u81 02-01-2016 08:37 PM

What's the cost to rebuild? And do they sell a kit? And here is my email bigdog0u81@hotmail.com.

bigdog0u81 02-01-2016 08:41 PM

Is the engine worth keeping to swap into another hydro mower? Don't have a lot of money to spend right now. As I just purchased a home so money is kinda tight right now .

Sam Mac 02-01-2016 08:55 PM

Let me dig into this one a little and see what I can come up with. I get it that the $$$ is tight. The one thing that is strange is that most of those crap the clutch paks but yours won't go into gear. The clutch pak and the trans are 2 different sections in the tranny. Just wondering if you don't have a linkage problem? I'll get back to you tomorrow after I do a little research. I'm old and it's past my bed time LOL. :beerchug:

bigdog0u81 02-01-2016 09:17 PM

Ok thanks for all your help . I removed the rod and tried to shift the trans from the rod on top and it wouldn't budge .

Sam Mac 02-02-2016 08:32 AM

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From what I see it also has some sort of "interlock" that is tied into the shifter. Not sure how the thing works.

Here is a link to get the service manual.
http://www.mymowerparts.com/pdf/Cub-...epair-Manuals/

Then click on this to download the manual.
Cub-Cadet-2000-Series-Service-Repair-Manual.pdf

It's a 27MB file so it's too large for me to send, gotta love Century Stink.

Pic is from the Cub parts site.

bigdog0u81 02-02-2016 10:31 AM

I am going to have to tear into this one night soon and see what's going on.

ol'George 02-02-2016 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog0u81 (Post 362291)
I am going to have to tear into this one night soon and see what's going on.

I'd go lightly in the beginning as far as tearing into it, might be something simple on the outside, do a little 'net research if you haven't already.:bigthink:

bigdog0u81 02-02-2016 03:03 PM

I took the linkage off the trans already and the shift lever won't budge it has to be somethingi internal.


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