1864 or 2182 and why?
 

A couple weeks ago , I got on here to ask what new tractor I should buy and you guys steered me away from a new tractor all together. Thank you!

No, I haven't made a purchase yet, mainly because my work schedule hasn't aloud me to take a road trip yet and most of the tractors I want to look at are at least a 2 hour one way, some even further.

I have however, done a ton of research since last speaking with you guys and I have narrowed my search based on that and your recommendations. So that being said, Ive decided I'm going to buy an 1864 or a 2182. I've found several candidates of each model in various levels of condition and price.

Knowing that all I really want to do is mow grass and possible push or blow a little snow, if you could only have one model, which of these two would it be and why? Id love to hear all the pros and cons of each model and know why one would be better suited for me than the other. I do realize that people may be partial and that's fine, just tell me why your partial.

Important factors for me would be the ability to mow well, reliability, availability of parts and be somewhat easy to work on. Thank you ahead of time for any replies.

By the way, Ive been all over this site the last couple weeks and this is a really cool place. My wife isn't really liking it since Im already showing her pics and talking about future projects, lol.

Turning radius and cost of maintenance would be the deciding factors for me. If you have a lot trees or obstacles to mow around, I think the GT (1864) would be the one for you. I mow a Christmas tree field with mine. The 2182 is water cooled and going to be a little pricier to maintain, but would be better for large wide open areas. Both are great tractors!

Also a quick question. While researching the 1864, I noticed dual hydraulics as an option. What advantages are the added hydraulics? I noticed the blowers are belt driven so the hydraulics would only run the chute? I can deal with manually cranking the chute if I get a blower but what other advantages would a dual hydraulic have? Sorry if these are dumb questions. Im really tying to learn as much as I can.

The only factory accessory for the front outlets is a power angle blade that I know of. Front outlets could be added to any tractor with hydro lift.

Time to poke the bee's nest. :biggrin2: 1864 = K.O.H.L.E.R. Keep On High Lookout for Engine Replacement. :bigeyes: 2182 = Kubota powered, liquid cooled, pressurized oil lubrication, alternator, last forever, smooth, quiet, dependable.

Let the arguing begin!!! I apologize in advance:beerchug:

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Kubota's are good engines. One of the best. But, so are Kohlers. Maybe you just owned KT's or something.



All depends on what you want. If you have a big yard, room, and you want stuff like 3PH, rear implements, plenty of power..... the SGT is the way to go. If your just looking for an awesome grass killer, and the ability for a front blade or snow blower.... maybe tug a cart, aerator, lawn sweeper.... the the GT is the way to go. Personally..... I say get both! :bigeyes::BlahBlah::BlahBlah:

Why not post some links to the tractors you are considering, it may help with determining the best value rather than engaging in a purely hypothetical discussion. There also plenty of folks here with great experience that can spot issues just by looking at a picture. :beerchug:

How many acres do you have to mow?

When I actually get time to go, I'll post links a few days early and get opinions. I don't wanna post something now that may not be available and new stuff is getting posted everyday.

I live on 14 acres. Best guess is I mow 2 acres or less of it.

As most of you know I'm all about the Kubota powered Cyclops, 1782 and 2182. That said the 1864 is probably one of the all time best GT's that Cub ever made. Same pump and rear as the Supers short of the reduction gearing. Same hydraulics, same power steering. The CH18 is a very good engine and it's easy to service. The Supers are more prone to having problems with breaking transmission mounts than the GT's because of the torsional stress caused by the longer frame. That's something that can be dealt with by adding the SGT brace kit from Xtreme. I guess if I was just getting into Cubs and the application was to mow a couple acres and maybe move some snow, I'd look for an 1864 with a 54" mower and enjoy life. Now if your 6'6" + tall you may like the Super just for the extra leg room. You may want to also consider the 2284, it's also right at the top of the list. :beerchug:

First off, you've narrowed it down to a couple VERY good machines, perhaps a couple of the best GT & SGT's Cub ever made so no matter which you choose, you can't go wrong :beerchug:

That being said, the guys are about right on track. If you've got some obstacles to mow around, or a driveway/sidewalks that would require tight turning, the 1864 is your machine. The 18hp Kohler Command motor in it is a solid, proven motor, the tractor has more than enough power for a 54" deck, front snow blade, snow blower, or any rear attachments you'd want to put on it. Also to note, most attachments since quite a few were made (blade, for example) will cost you less.

The 2182, on the other hand, is one of the best SGT's made. The Kobota engine will rock your world with power and reliability but when something goes wrong, it will most likely be more to replace/repair. If you've got a lot wide open spaces to mow or a large parking lot style driveway, the SGT may be worth considering. It doesn't turn near as tight as the 1864 so maneuvering, while not difficult at all, will take some more space. However, since fewer were made and even fewer attachments, they will most likely cost more.

Also as Sam said, a 2284 is a worthwhile machine as well. Pretty much the same pros and cons as a 2182 except it has a 22hp Kohler Command in it.

Good luck with whatever you choose :beerchug:

I'm really loveing my Kubotas. They are smooth runners and the sound is so cool, they don't sound like your average mower, and they have great power and a long life expectancy if taken care of. My vote is for the 2182 but I guess I'm biased because I own one and love it!

At this point the condition of the tractor is what I would look at. But good deals on good tractors don't last. Grab your cash and wave it in front of the owners. If you don't someone else will beat you to it.

I have a kubota 3 cylinder diesel but not in a cub. I expect the engine will outlast me and it had 1000 hours on it when it followed me home.

The maintenance cost for the kubota will be more but not enough to cause me to see it as a factor. 4 quarts vs 2 of oil and coolant change every few years for the kubota. If you put a lot of hours on the tractor the diesel may require fewer oil changes.

Thanks everyone for the help. I think the 1864 may be the tractor for me. Ive found more of those for sale than 2182's but still enough of the Supers to consider them. I looked for a 2284 after it was mentioned and I only searched a 250 mile radius but I only got a hit on a blower, not a single tractor so that one must be a rare one huh?

One of the 1864's I found looks brand new in the pics. Its further away and I think the seller is asking too much based on others Ive seen but Im waiting for a reply from him with more info. hanks again for all the help. Im hoping I get to make a road trip very soon. Maybe this weekend.

I have too many Cubs to worry about it now. I'm 72 years old and I'll never be able to wear out what I have around here. That said....................

I wish I could have found (and convinced myself to pay for it) a nice clean 1864 20 years ago. If you can find a truly low hour 1864, it's worth a premium to pay it. I don't think you'll regret it.

I have 1860, 1862, 1863, 1864 and 2084 plus several other Cyclops with smaller engines and/or stick transmissions.

I like the 1864 for all the reasons given here by others. It turns tight, runs very well and is plenty powerful for even heavy grass with the 54" mower. I think the big advantage of the Super Cub is the longer wheel base, bigger tires which would give you a better ride on rough ground.

I've never owned a Cub with a Kubota, either gas or diesel so no comment on those except I know first hand, Kubota makes good stuff.

What other brand of motor do you suggest