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Nitro 05-18-2014 03:08 PM

Fuel petcock, 1450
 
Hi all, the petcock on my Quietline tank has started leaking. I have already replaced the bushing once, and I think this valve isn't original, as none online look like it. My question is, this one has 3/8" hose barb on it, and all the ones I see for sale are 1/4". My new carburetor came with a small barb too, I think 1/4" but never measured it. What does your 1450/1650 have? The one on it now has a 1/4 turn lever and the ones for sale have a thumbscrew. Also, some have screens and some don't, I want a screen because there isn't much room for a filter. Thanks!

Nitro 05-18-2014 03:20 PM

Also, while I am asking about fuel systems, when I was adjusting the fuel screws on the carb I found that I could turn them quite a ways before the engine speed dipped. Particularly the low speed mix, I turned it a turn and a half before I could hear the slightest speed drop. I set them up at 3200 and 1200 rpm using a 4 cyl dwell/tach and multiplying by four. (dwell was right around 32* so I think I got the points close enough.)

Maxwelhse 05-19-2014 04:08 AM

Hummm... Both of my QL tanks have the 1/4 turn deal and my 149 has the thumbscrew (steel tank). Maybe a common hardware store replacement? I believe they're both 1/4" too.

Also, I was able to put an inline filter between the petcock and the carb. NAPA sells a steel body unit that worked out just great! That screen in the petcock isn't nearly fine enough for my taste.

darkminion_17 05-19-2014 10:15 AM

Sounds like some good advice was given.

btw my 1200 has a push pull type shutoff.it is the original one.

Nitro 05-19-2014 12:22 PM

I checked the fitting that came with the carb and it was 1/4", so I ordered the petcock from Patton. I was hung up on "is 1/4" enough" and remembered that I used 3/8" on a built 440 many years ago, so for this little guy 1/4 is fine. I did set the timing per the manual and ran the valves, I just eyeballed the dwell since I was already using the meter for a tach. Gas engines, in my memory, like 28-32* so I knew I was at least in the ballpark. It already had 3/8 line on it, and any 3/8 inline filter I can find is too big to fit in the space between the firewall and the carb. It ran since '78 with a screen, so I'll be happy with that.

Bob95065 05-19-2014 04:47 PM

I have a 1000 that I used since new. I practically grew up on it because I did yard work and maintenance for a neighbor who gave it to me about 10 years ago. Anyway, it has a 90° valve at the base of the tank. The valve has a small red handle and is original to the tractor. From the serial # it was made in August 1977.

Cubby guy 05-19-2014 05:39 PM

My 800 has the push/pull type of cutoff, a 1976 model.

Maxwelhse 05-19-2014 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitro (Post 262132)
I checked the fitting that came with the carb and it was 1/4", so I ordered the petcock from Patton. I was hung up on "is 1/4" enough" and remembered that I used 3/8" on a built 440 many years ago, so for this little guy 1/4 is fine. I did set the timing per the manual and ran the valves, I just eyeballed the dwell since I was already using the meter for a tach. Gas engines, in my memory, like 28-32* so I knew I was at least in the ballpark. It already had 3/8 line on it, and any 3/8 inline filter I can find is too big to fit in the space between the firewall and the carb. It ran since '78 with a screen, so I'll be happy with that.

I'm confused... You're using 3/8" line on a 1/4" nipple?

also.. I'm a a fuel filter nazi.. If it runs fuel and has a piston, I put a filter on it. If you end up with 1/4" line and change your mind I can probably attempt to take a picture of what I did on mine if you'd like to see it. It's nothing special.

Berwil 05-19-2014 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob95065 (Post 262184)
I have a 1000 that I used since new. I practically grew up on it because I did yard work and maintenance for a neighbor who gave it to me about 10 years ago. Anyway, it has a 90° valve at the base of the tank. The valve has a small red handle and is original to the tractor. From the serial # it was made in August 1977.

My '79 1450 has the same 90 degree red handle. I hate having to loosen the side shield to turn the gas on and off every time, not to mention that it hits the foam of the firewall as well. :bash2:

Bill

kostendorf 05-19-2014 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Berwil (Post 262249)
My '79 1450 has the same 90 degree red handle. I hate having to loosen the side shield to turn the gas on and off every time, not to mention that it hits the foam of the firewall as well. :bash2:

Bill

My 1650 too has this shutoff. I have not worried about shutting it off for two years with no ill effects.:Huh:

Berwil 05-19-2014 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kostendorf (Post 262257)
My 1650 too has this shutoff. I have not worried about shutting it off for two years with no ill effects.:Huh:

I park it in the attached garage during the winter for snow removal. My wife walked in the there once and the carb needle did not seat and leaked all over. I now get asked every time I park it if the gas is off.

Bill

sawdustdad 05-20-2014 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Cubby guy (Post 262191)
My 800 has the push/pull type of cutoff, a 1976 model.

My 1000 has the push-pull fuel shut off too. Only QL I've seen with one. Well, of the 5 I've worked on. :biggrin2:

And I've had the carb needle stick on my 108, and, over the winter, drain the fuel tank on to a shed floor.

Maxwelhse 05-20-2014 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kostendorf (Post 262257)
My 1650 too has this shutoff. I have not worried about shutting it off for two years with no ill effects.:Huh:

Someone left the firewall out of mine many years ago (I think it may have come with the tractor in a box of parts) so I'm not sure it hits it. BUT... I did buy a "bubba'd up" side tin on ebay for $5 that someone popped a hole in for shut off access. No need to remove it now and no guilt about doing it to my tins! :)

Nitro 05-20-2014 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxwelhse (Post 262213)
I'm confused... You're using 3/8" line on a 1/4" nipple?

also.. I'm a a fuel filter nazi.. If it runs fuel and has a piston, I put a filter on it. If you end up with 1/4" line and change your mind I can probably attempt to take a picture of what I did on mine if you'd like to see it. It's nothing special.

It had 3/8 line, carb fitting, and shutoff when I bought it. A 1/4" filter will be much easier to find in an appropriate size.

Bob95065 05-24-2014 11:13 AM

My shut-off valve looks like the one on this tank:
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...psf01234a0.jpg

Notice the red arm on the valve. It is a 90° close valve.

The picture came from this thread: http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=32139

Nitro 05-24-2014 01:12 PM

Bob, that is what mine had. I have a new thumbscrew type to install today. I liked it because it is difficult to reach with the sides on, but with a new carb I don't expect any needle/seat or float problems.

Bob95065 05-25-2014 10:41 AM

My valve is leaking. The valves I see are all the screw in type.

Nitro 05-25-2014 10:56 AM

Yes, I couldn't find the lever type. I like the non-leaking style much better tho. :biggrin2:

dbuck 05-25-2014 10:59 AM

:Morning: My CC149 like Maxwelhses has the thumb screw shut fuel shut off and I also have a fuel filter between the the tank outlet and the carb. inlet. I use a clear filter from NAPA. :American Flag 1:

bkw3614 05-25-2014 12:37 PM

My 1250 Nightmare has the 1/4 turn ball valve on its fuel tank.

I took a heavy wire coat hanger, cut out a piece of the hanger and bent a v in one end to turn on the fuel, and bent a hook on the other end to turn off the valve. A magnet holds the tool to the tunnel cover. I never have to loosen the thumbscrew for the side cover.

Nitro 05-25-2014 03:11 PM

My side covers have 1/4" bolts. I thought about locktiting a stud in there and using a wingnut. For now I'll leave the fuel on unless I'm not going to run it for a month, we'll see if it leaks.

Maxwelhse 05-25-2014 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitro (Post 263345)
My side covers have 1/4" bolts. I thought about locktiting a stud in there and using a wingnut. For now I'll leave the fuel on unless I'm not going to run it for a month, we'll see if it leaks.

Most decent hardware store have wing head bolts like it would have shipped with. If not McMaster-Carr certainly does.

Bob95065 05-26-2014 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxwelhse (Post 263387)
Most decent hardware store have wing head bolts like it would have shipped with. If not McMaster-Carr certainly does.

I bought a pair from Ace with my $5 reward card they sent me in the mail.


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