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thomas 1863 03-23-2014 09:42 PM

Automatic trany fluid vs hydro oil
 
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I drained the hydro oil out of my 123 because I had a leak and over the winter, I don't know if it leaked all out or froze. When I drained it, it was all milky and yellow which the oil i put in it was not that way. I have the same stuff in my log splitter and it looks nothing like that looks just like when i put it in whats causing this. Would I be better off to run ATF that is what is in my 127 and I never have a problem?

thomas 1863 03-23-2014 10:12 PM

this was just changed out last winter how am i getting water in to it

Jeff in Pa 03-23-2014 10:28 PM

Hy Tran is hydroscopic which means it encapsulates moisture. Hy Tran is what the hydros were designed for. If you can't afford Hy Tran, at least get something that specs outs similar to the Hy Tran specifications.

thomas 1863 03-23-2014 10:39 PM

http://www.ruralking.com/super-s-sup...llons-tdh.html
this is what i had in it and have in my log splitter

Jeff in Pa 03-23-2014 10:42 PM

Here's what I've been using ( purchased at TSC )

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...h_DCP_5228.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...h_DCP_5229.jpg
click for bigger pics

Check your container to see if it specs for Hy Tran

thomas 1863 03-24-2014 12:22 AM

dose it do the same thing with water as the HyTran

J-Mech 03-24-2014 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by thomas 1863 (Post 250388)
dose it do the same thing with water as the HyTran

Hy-Tran's water encapsulation ability is unique to Hy-Tran.

Jeff is correct in saying that Hy-Tran is the recommended fluid from IH or CCC.
I don't run it. ATF (specifically Dexron III) is an acceptable substitute. This is a topic that we :beatdeadhorse: on the forum all the time. Most of us get tired of the debate. There are too many people on here running "other than" oils with no problems. As a mechanic, and as a former IH mechanic, I can tell you the oil Jeff listed is fine, Dexron III is fine, any 30wt (or close I.E: SAE 32) is fine. I even know of a guy who runs 30WT Rotella in his rear with no issues. It really isn't very critical at all, as long as it is a oil that is meant for a piston style pump. :beerchug:

dbuck 03-24-2014 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by thomas 1863 (Post 250377)
http://www.ruralking.com/super-s-sup...llons-tdh.html
this is what i had in it and have in my log splitter

:Morning: My 149 and 127 started with Hy-Tran I will continue to use Hy-Tran and the CC hydra filter. You can buy Hy-Tran at your local Case/IH dealer in bulk and save some money. :American Flag 1:

Sam Mac 03-24-2014 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by thomas 1863 (Post 250372)
this was just changed out last winter how am i getting water in to it

I'd be looking at the cover on the top of the trans. Does the tractor stay out side?

ol'George 03-24-2014 08:58 AM

Something you might be running into is condensation.
On larger, (think vintage ag tractors) when you operate them, the gear box's get warm and the air vent allows the expanded air to escape.
When they cool off air re enters via the vent or other areas.
Air has moisture.
On a wet/damp day go look @ a crankcase/gear case and you will see "sweat"
That is on the inside too.
Every year I drain off water/condensation from the bottom of my collector RED and Green tractors via the bottom drain plugs.
Most times it is about a QUART from the 15 or so gallon gear reservoirs.
These tractors are inside an unheated building and some are not run/used for several years @ a time.
It is the nature of things.
Gear cases almost never get hot enough to boil off the condensation unlike an engine that does.
I doubt an arid place like Arizona/or desert would have much of a problem, but that is not the case in high humidity areas.
--Just my two cents.

finsruskw 03-24-2014 09:05 AM

At $1.29/qt....Ya get what Ya pay for!!
Al log splitter is not what amounts to an automatic transmission.
Would Ya put that stuff in your car or pick-up??
Heck, Ya can't even buy milk for $1.29/Qt!!
Nuff said!

J-Mech 03-24-2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by finsruskw (Post 250413)
At $1.29/qt....Ya get what Ya pay for!!
Al log splitter is not what amounts to an automatic transmission.
Would Ya put that stuff in your car or pick-up??
Heck, Ya can't even buy milk for $1.29/Qt!!
Nuff said!

What are you talking about??? :bigthink:

cubs-n-bxrs 03-24-2014 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Mech (Post 250433)
What are you talking about??? :bigthink:

X2 on that Jonathan.

ironman 03-24-2014 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cubs-n-bxrs (Post 250447)
X2 on that Jonathan.

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Originally Posted by J-Mech (Post 250433)
What are you talking about??? :bigthink:

I think what he means is that the fluid that thomas1863 is using, according to the link he provided, costs $25.99 for five gallons. That equates to $1.2995 per qt.

thomas 1863 03-24-2014 01:07 PM

722 a quart 2259 a gallon from my cub dealer. its not the Hy Tran but he said it dose encapsulate moisture it is the cub cadet brand

J-Mech 03-24-2014 01:08 PM

The problem is not the oil, no matter what the price is.

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Originally Posted by Sam Mac (Post 250409)
I'd be looking at the cover on the top of the trans. Does the tractor stay out side?

^^ I'm betting this also.

finsruskw 03-24-2014 01:20 PM

BINGO!!!
Give that man a prize!!
At $22.99/5gal someone is getting hosed here.
J just bought 5 Gal of the new HyTran at the Case/IH dealer, it was $79.70 + tax....$15.94/gal again + tax
It takes 14 PT per change which is 1.75 Gal maybe a bit more for the filter.
That's about $28 without tax.
How much do you spend for an oil change on your car or truck?
This is the 1st thing I do to a hydro Cub when it comes across my bench as soon as I get it back up on it's feet and good to go as I have no history on service in the past in most cases.

My point was Ya can't buy much of anything any more for $1.29/gal

R Bedell 03-24-2014 01:27 PM

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722 a quart 2259 a gallon from my cub dealer.
Would that 722 = $7.22 a quart and 2259 = $22.59 a Gallon...??? :Huh:

Further there are different types of Cub Cadet Hydraulic fluids. Click on this link for the correct and recommended Hydraulic Fluid.... Fluid

finsruskw 03-24-2014 02:44 PM

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This is what Ya get now, on the left, MAT3540.
It replaces the HyTran ultra MAT3505.
I was informed of this just the other day when I went to purchase a can from our local Case/IH dealer, and they are a big dealer, been around forever. It is backwards compatable with earlier versions.

thomas 1863 03-24-2014 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by R Bedell (Post 250468)
Would that 722 = $7.22 a quart and 2259 = $22.59 a Gallon...??? :Huh:

Further there are different types of Cub Cadet Hydraulic fluids. Click on this link for the correct and recommended Hydraulic Fluid.... Fluid

yes that was $7.22 a quart and $22.59 a gallon and i dont know what kind of hydraulic fluid it was the guy on the phone didnt say just it was cub cadet brand

thomas 1863 03-24-2014 04:44 PM

called the IH Case dealer $16.50 a gallon sold in bulk nearest dealer is 20 miles for me

Sam Mac 03-24-2014 05:34 PM

OK kids this has turned into another what kind of fluid should I put in my Cub threads. Time to put a stop to it. Thread is now locked.


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