169 in need of an engine transplant
 

I bought a 169 over a year ago and have not had much luck getting a 16 hp kohler for it. There is a 316 JD for sale that is very close by and I was wondering how different the engines were between the two tractors. I would like to put my 169 back as close to original as possible and wondered how this would work. I have also been looking at wheel horse 16 hp kohlers and was wondering about them, as well. Any advice from 169 owners or people in the know would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Cub Cadet 123

I'm going to be watching this thread as I have wondered this myself...

I don't thank the oil pans are not same . Its not a start /gen engine

Between the JD 316 and the Cub Cadet 169 or between the wheel horse 16 hp and Cub Cadet 169, or both? Can the oil pans be changed?

Cub Cadet 123

I have been looking at john deer 316 engines. I don't thank a john deer will work

To add to that I think the flywheels are different. I'm pretty sure the john deere and Wheel Horse one's are electric start. I know the arrangement of the coil, condesor, and the wiring the Wheel Horse is in different places. I don't know about the john deere because I could really care less about them. The best thing you could do is watch some videos/pictures or diagrams. That always helps me. Good luck on your 169! :beerchug:

if you need pics let me know I have two 169

hears pics

Thank you for the great pics. However, I still don't know if a wheel horse 16 hp Kohler would work or not. Here is a picture of one:


Cub Cadet 123

I believe the Deere motor is the same, but the PTO end of the crankshaft is too long. The wheel horse motor, I believe uses the wrong oil pan to be used for the Cub...... and if that is correct, the blocks are different and a shallow oil pan won't bolt to it.

If that is incorrect, I will stand corrected. I am going off vague memory. :bigthink:

If I am right about the Deere engine..... you could just get the correct crank and swap it. Should be able to get a ground 16HP crank for less than $100

What is wrong with the original motor?

It's missing! The guy I got the cub from said some puller got it and either was using it or through a rod through it.

Cub Cadet 123

Could you put a K341 from a 1650 in it? You'd have to set up a switch for the PTO, but that's the major difference, right? I think there are enough 1650s around to find one as a donor...

I don't know. The engine in the pic don't have a start/GEN and the dipstick is on the wrong side

Hears one with I thank 1650 engine. this one for sale on craigslist

There are 2 different deere 316's so be careful. only the one made during the same time as the 300 has the kohler single cylinder. The JD 300 does also.

As far as it working im not sure.

I think J-MECH is correct. The flywheels are slightly different but you should be able to change them out between the cub and john deere. Also if I remember correct you can make, buy, a bushing to put your pto on it if you have to. On the oil pan cub and jd both mount using rubber isolators... you might do a google search for specs, look on ebay at pictures of oil pans etc

A bushing won't work with the mechanical clutch. It would on an electric though. I forgot about the flywheels. But yeah that shouldn't be a big deal at all.

169 repower
 

Differences between the various engines::bigthink:

1. The Cub cranks use a 1"x 2-7/8" PTO end of the crankshaft.
JD and WH use a 1-1/8" x 3-1/4" and longer PTO end.

2. Check the engine tech section of this forum for the differences between
the different Kohler engine oil pan bolt-up areas.

3. The starter/generator engines use a different bearing plate than do the
starter/alternater engines.

4. With a torch, welder, a BFH, and a lot of hair pulling and cussing, you
just might make it work.

(#4 comes from personal experiences!!)

Happy Cubbing!!
FFGino.

Thanks, but I do not want to alter the 169 in anyway shape or form. I am a collector of the cubs and want to put it back in its original condition, rather than modify it or do things differently (ie. put an engine in from a 1650). I just saw some wheel horse 16hp engines for sale and thought they were the same, but I was mistaken. Thank you though for your advice.

Cub Cadet 123

just keep your eyes out your will fine one

For whatever it's worth since you're somewhat local to me...

You can have my K341AQS with busted crank for nothing if you want to swap my professionally rebuilt K341AQS into my 1650 for me. I've run out of energy for dealing with it.

1 - I know for a fact that the crank is broken (maybe your 169 has a good crank, and probably rod/piston, to make the combo a running solution).

2 - Nothing leaves my property until my 1650 is running and driving around my lot.

3 - Bring your own tools and supplies. I will provide an engine hoist, moral support, and all of the beer/coffee you care to drink (I'll provide meals too since I love to cook! I've been told my ribs/wings are the best around!).

That's certainly not the best deal of the century, but that's what I've got, and it won't cost you more than a couple of hours of labor + gas.

Now that is a deal for someone!:bigthink:

I hope so! Making ribs (because I'm not about to make like, 1/2 of a "restaurant" rack of ribs.... pointless) costs me about $90. Wings? About another $90 (I'm going to make at least 150 if I even bother to heat the oil up).

I won't serve ribs w/o the fiance's legendary garlic mashed spuds (another $20).....

...all the beer you can drink, up to you?

So... I'm in the deal for ~$250, plus a free broken engine, -some labor, for whoever wants it! :)

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I'm somewhat passionate about this topic because I own 2 cubs, one is completely not going to run (broken crank) and the other popped it's head TODAY... I'm into these things for like $5k and I have a pair of them...at all times one needs to be going! I'm OK with another $250, plus free busted motor, to get that to happen!

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I "could" put my new motor ($1200) in myself, but like I said, my give a damn is busted... :( Ultimately.... Drinking, Playstation, and spending time with my fiance is more important to me than the money. Only the last of those things is noble at all and I know it.

[QUOTE=Maxwelhse;225251]I hope so! Making ribs (because I'm not about to make like, 1/2 of a "restaurant" rack of ribs.... pointless) costs me about $90. Wings? About another $90 (I'm going to make at least 150 if I even bother to heat the oil up).

I won't serve ribs w/o the fiance's legendary garlic mashed spuds (another $20).....

...all the beer you can drink, up to you?

So... I'm in the deal for ~$250, plus a free broken engine, -some labor, for whoever wants it! :)

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That is quite a deal. I will give it a great deal of consideration, but right now I'm overloaded. I have never used an engine hoist--just pick them up and put them in, but my 14hp was quite heavy this last time I put it in my 149--guess I'm getting older. Right now, I am working two jobs throughout the week for anywhere from 10-16 hrs./day and overseeing 3 properties that are an hour away from each other. I'm booked up for a while now, but will see if something frees up. Thank you so much for such a generous offer. BTW> Like Groucho Marx in "At the Circus", I try to limit myself to no more than about 42 cups of coffee!:biggrin2:

Cub Cadet 123

[QUOTE=Cub Cadet 123;225301]The hoist was just about adding simplicity to the job. If you want to he-man it, then have at it.

Anyhow, she's been in the shred for 2 years... No real rush.