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Cub 128 08-02-2012 11:04 PM

Weak battery? No spark?
 
I've charged the battery up and it turns the engine over fine, but I get no spark or volts on the negative post on the coil. Could this be caused by a weak battery on this 128?

Ive replaced the V/R, coil, condenser, solenoid, new wire harness.

It had spark last week but the coil was going bad so I replaced it now no spark.

The battery is 3 years old

SumBum 08-03-2012 12:54 AM

Do you have power on the + side of coil with the key turned on?

Can you see spark at the points?

R Bedell 08-03-2012 06:34 AM

A low voltage battery can cause a no or weak spark. BTDT.

Click on this link and with a DVM or VOM, you can trace the issue down....... Diagram

PaulS 08-03-2012 07:13 AM

I am no expert but could there be a problem with your ignition switch? That is about the only thing you did not replace.

red56turbo 08-03-2012 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 145941)
I am no expert but could there be a problem with your ignition switch? That is about the only thing you did not replace.

Great point Paul. Kinda what I was thinking. Looks like the points weren't replaced yet either. Maybe a quick clean with some emery cloth would help.

Cub 128 08-03-2012 12:32 PM

I have a new set of points laying around, ill replace them today.

Ignition switch was replaced with one off of another cub but its still could be bad.

12v power is going to the positive post on the coil.

R Bedell 08-03-2012 12:44 PM

IF you have 12VDC on the ( + ) and ( - ) side of the Ignition Coil and still have no spark, I would look at the Spark Plug Wire and/or the Spark Plug itself. This is assuming the Ignition Coil is working correctly.

Cub 128 08-03-2012 01:02 PM

I dont have 12v at the negative post when I crank the engine, only the positive.

ol'George 08-03-2012 01:29 PM

Take the neg wire off the coil and see if you have 12V.@ the coil with key on and/or cranking,
if so, then the problem is in the points/condenser or shorted wire to them.

R Bedell 08-03-2012 03:48 PM

Here is a quick test you can perform. Take everything off the negative Ign Coil Term. Install a jumper wire on that terminal. Turn on the Ignition Switch. With the opposite end of the wire, touch the motor block (ground) momentarily, if all is well, you should see a small spark at the end of the wire and spark at the Spark Plug.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...COILTEST-A.jpg

OR.....

Take everything off the negative Ign Coil Term. Turn on the Ignition Switch. Take the black or negative meter lead and attach to motor ground. With the Red meter lead, if all is well, you should have 12V at both the positive and negative terminals of the Ignition Coil.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...COILTEST-B.jpg

Cub 128 08-03-2012 04:29 PM

ok, thanks ill try those tests and report back

jbrewer 08-03-2012 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cub 128 (Post 145925)

It had spark last week but the coil was going bad so I replaced it now no spark.

You sure you got the coil back in right? I'd check the simple things first.

Are the points opening and closing? I'd change pr adjust as few additional things as possible before checking all the basics.

How did you determine the coil was "going bad" ... spark beginning to fail?

John

Cub 128 08-03-2012 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrewer (Post 146004)
You sure you got the coil back in right? I'd check the simple things first.

Are the points opening and closing? I'd change pr adjust as few additional things as possible before checking all the basics.

How did you determine the coil was "going bad" ... spark beginning to fail?

John

I heard that if the coil got really hot when it was running that it was going bad, And it was getting pretty hot.

R Bedell 08-03-2012 05:05 PM

Quote:

I heard that if the coil got really hot when it was running that it was going bad, And it was getting pretty hot.
Now wait a minute...........there was NOTHING said in the original post about the Ignition Coil being "hot". Are you saying now.......that the coil has been running hot....???:bigeyes:

Alvy 08-03-2012 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R Bedell (Post 145998)
Here is a quick test you can perform. Take everything off the negative Ign Coil Term. Install a jumper wire on that terminal. Turn on the Ignition Switch. With the opposite end of the wire, touch the motor block (ground) momentarily, if all is well, you should see a small spark at the end of the wire and spark at the Spark Plug.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...COILTEST-A.jpg

OR.....

Take everything off the negative Ign Coil Term. Turn on the Ignition Switch. Take the black or negative meter lead and attach to motor ground. With the Red meter lead, if all is well, you should have 12V at both the positive and negative terminals of the Ignition Coil.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...COILTEST-B.jpg

Sound advice here and good illustrations cub 128. Really worth the investment to buy a DVOM no matter what kind you get. These checks will let the meter show you what's wrong rather than "swaptronics". I'm sure there are primary and secondary resistance readings that you can take on the coil as well to see if it is bad but again a meter is a valuable tool that saves a lot of time in troubleshooting. I have a Simpson analog and Fluke 87 that I use every day to work on electric lift trucks and its well worth the time and effort to learn how to use one for whatever electrical system you're wanting to diagnose. Just my .02.

Cub 128 08-03-2012 09:28 PM

Yeah the coils been running hot, but I got it going today. It was the points. I mowed for a couple hours and all was well except I think the engine is running hot because the carb bowl was at 157* F I don't know if that's normal or not.

Ive got all the tools that I would ever need to do anything on these just not familiar with them or battery powered ignition coils.


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